“When”, 3 months later.
It is. Evidently. The Galakrond dagger is a prime example in this case (just like the sylvanas dagger was in S2 SL). Even Grim Batol is a good example (although not as bonkers as the Galakrond dagger) because if you’re the only one being able to loot the agi trinket (or vise versa if you’re a sole str user for the str trinket) then I wish you good luck.
Also this.
As I said: You can have your PL for pug content. Nobody cares and guild grps will try to, if possible, to soften the annoyance that are certain trinkets in dungeons with guild premades. Guild groups however will likely just stick with group loot (or would even prefer your group vault example if that were to be a case but I sincerely doubt it would ever become a thing because Blizzard is already trying to slow the gearing process down by a lot)
It doesnt really depend. If will flat out be worse chance for most groups since there are so many drops that simply aren’t useable by any group member when doing a dungeon with group loot vs personal loot.
Why would I care? You said targeting items, that implies there’s only one thing in there I want anyway?
It absolutely does depend. Traders improves PL’s odds, lack of competition for the item improves GL’s odds.
If you think GB is bad with PL imagine having the loot drops being diluted even more. Have you seen how huge that drop table is?
Do you have the exact number to hand? We can do the math on this it isn’t very hard.
1 - chance of getting nothing - chance of getting nothing the given item
1 - (number of total items -1 / number of items) - (number of items -2 / number of items -1)
Yes it is easier to target certain items with PL. You can bring traders and thats my point. It is easier to farm specific items especially with ppl trading. Since the loot table has fewer items. With group loot you can also bring ppl that pass to you but will still have the whole loot table dropping thus lowering your chance.
In a random dungeon with average randomly generated party PL would also be vastly superiour since the average group will be imbalanced and lack party members that can even equip certain items. The items will still drop under GL. But they will not under PL and as such the gearing process is quicker under PL.
Hopefully you now know why PL is superior to GL.
You can look at the dungeon journal. Deselect classes and you will see whole loot table.
I know GB is an outlier with its loot table but it was an example about certain pieces that only certain specs can loot. A pool this large isnt usually the case (blizzard did even reduce drop tables for some dungeons in the past)
32 items in comparison to 22 in for example Dawnbreaker. GBs pool is massive (and one of the reasons why its being flamed next to it being the hardest dungeon). The dungeon overall is just horrible.
If the setup allows it.
Yet every guild geared up way faster by a lot ever since Group loot came back. Curious isnt it? And I am fully aware of the crest system that we have since DF. I am also referring to obtaining specific pieces.
Why are we comparing best case scenario GL to average case scenario GL?
Surely we should be comparing best case to best case?
So
1 - (31/32) x (31/32) Forgot you can have duplicates in my previous sum.
Vs say you’re a caster wanting gale, which is 2/5 x 1/13?
Or an enh shaman wanting grace, which is 2/5 x 1/15.
You can do the math if you want and calculate the percentage. I will just go with GB being an outlier in the meantime until the results are done and its either confirmed or proven wrong.
Yes exactly something like that
GB has roughly 50% more items but roughly 70% higher average loot pool per spec. If anything GB is an outlier in favour of GL.
I mean, I wont argue with results. If the math does its mathing and says so then thats how it is.
Because that was discussed. I said it was alot easier to farm something targeted with PL because you limit what drops. You can’t do that with GL. You can only get other people to pass. You still have 32 items in GB with GL. While a group farming skadryn with for a rogue with agility users will have like 10-12 items dropping. Thus making PL superior in organized groups. It will also be superior in random groups because certain items will drop that aren’t even useable thus wasting alot of the drops in GL while the similiar is not true in PL.
Gold transfers between realms need to go.
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Yeah I don’t disagree for dungeons, but we also have pl for dungeons and pl is fine for dungeons. However if the choice is between pl or GL exactly as they are for raids I’d take GL in organised groups without question.
The advantage with PL vs GL in raids are obviously alot smaller since you will see more speccs and classes represented. It is still there though. If you don’t need daggers your rogues can put outlaw loot specc and you wont see dagger drop i.e. If you want to maximize certain drops you can alter the raid compositon with PL but with GL that won’t affect drop rates.
Exactly otherwise your just stealing upgrades from players who actually need