Hi
I have a legit question about specs in classic. There are some classes that i want to play with or try out but then again if i ding 60 and try to progress with say a shaman im affraid i’d have to stick with restoration. Currently i’m lvling a priest and i read that only 1 shadow priest will be needed per raid rest are forced into healing. Same with druid and paladin. One would think let me level a paladin and be a tank and then you find out it doesn’t even have taunt and is forced to be healer because both of his other spec doesn’t meet the expectations in raid. so what is the purpose of those other specs here? Is there a way Blizzard can patch these issues up ? I want to play classic but i don’t know where i will be at, kinda half hearted here.
just play what you want there are enough guild (or start your own?) that gladly take anything to fill the spots.
just dont expect a guild that cares about performance when you play such meme speccs.
but there is 0 problem to raid with whatever you want
You need to respect the fact, that not every guild want “semi-vaiable” DPS to gear up. Ofc You can raid in PUGS etc and easy progress through content.
In Classic you play a class, not a spec.
So if you are Priest, you can go Shadow for PvP/Dungeons/Outdoor and Holy/Disc for Raid. But at the end, you play a Priest.
It’s true, min-maxer will want only 1 Shadow Priest in the raid. You will have to go Heal if you want to raid if there’s already a Shadow Priest in a “tryhard” guild.
Is it bad ? Nope, because you play a Priest at the end. So you can go Shadow on dungeon, you can go Shadow on outdoor, you can go Shadow in PvP, well you can play Shadow 90% of the time if you like that, because it impact only yourself.
But in raid, we expect people to be in PvE spec, so people make effort to change spec and pay the cost to be optimized. It’s the same for you, you have to change spec and go Heal if you are in a tryhard guild because no one will want you otherwise. Why ? Because if other do effort, why you should do not ?
Of course, you can find a “non-min-max” guild (casual guild or semi-hardcore), that will not really take care about that and accept you as a Shadow Priest and enjoy the game like that.
It’s exactly the same problem with people who come in PvP spec in Raid. even if the raid is doable with PvP spec, I don’t accept them, because other do the effort to be optimized.
Does Blizzard can do anything to upgrade Shadow Priest damage ? They will not, and even if they start to do that, the philosophy of classic is : Hybrid class do less damage than pure DPS class. So a Shadow priest should always deal less damage than a Mage/War/Rogue.
Find a friendly guild and u can raid with whatever you can, ofc u wont top meters, but thats not about it, as a sub optimal spec you will have kinda harder life, but definitely doable.
And after all, shaman/paladin that know his sh*t is still better dmg than mage who dies to fire after 20 sec of fight
They serve no purpose in raiding because Blizzard was just too bad at designing them back then.
Not before Classic+, if it happens at all.
You can play both enh and ele in dungeons and PvP. Just don’t expect to get a raid spot for a role that can be filled far better by another class/spec. Same goes for SP, druid and paladin.
Raids take a handful of these for their utility, so there will always be an enh and an SP in a raid. The number of enhs is usually <= the number of melee groups. The number of SPs is, well, 1 for Shadow Weaving. There simply is no logical reason to take an SP for anything but that.
Classic+? whats that?
You need to realize that, while 1.12 was probably the most balanced point of Vanilla, it still was far from “finished”. A lot of balancing and changes kept happening from 2.0 onwards. Those specs you talk about got their fix in subsequent patches, back then. But here we are, playing Classic^^
When you join a guild, its the guild interest first and then its yours.
If guild needs you to play resto then you play resto, simple.
But if you dont want to deal with that, then its better to form your own guild or a group.
Is it me or has the gaming community devolved into toxic elitists. Look at these answers mate…
Has nothing to do with toxic elitist, it just you being selfish.
Are you trolling ? Because if you want to play a crap spec like Fire Mage in Molten Core when all others afford the time to be optimized and farm gold for that, don’t expect them to carry your as*.
Why do you take this so personal?
It’s not personal, it’s all about group and cohesion. You can do what you want in this game, but when you play with 39 others people, at least try to be respectfull of them because you are all equals there’s no privilege so why you could pick something like a PvP spec or a meme spec ? Do you have any privilege ? I guess the response is no and you understand that.
It’s the idea of continuing to develop Classic after it reaches end-game state with Naxxramas, instead of simply leaving it as it is or continuing into TBC.
Still, only an idea.
Nobody here is being elitist. People are telling you in a simple manner that in a raid you are expected to carry your weight.
A fire mage cannot carry even a feather-worth of weight into MC.
I don’t know about what you are talking, I just try to explain to you meme / PvP spec is a disrespect for others member in a raid. So yes, as Shaman, stick Restauration for Raid and heal ? Or pick a NON-tryhard guild so you can play what you want without worrying about that, it’s not toxic, it’s just there’s different guild with different behavior required. But even in a NON-tryhard guild, guild master can ask you to go Restauration Shaman because healing is missing and they can easily find a Mage/War/Rogue but it’s hard to find a heal.
A good one tho
You can play any garbage spec you want. If the guild will carry someone so useless in a raid is another matter.
The other specs are for the rest of the game. Blizz knew raiding was for a minority of players, and so didn’t put much effort into balancing it (see worldbuffs as well).
As for why players enforce standards? Without them you won’t have a working raid. Different guilds vary in how high they are, but they need to be there, or you won’t be able to kill anything (attendance & healing are two of the most common problems).
My dude my problem is not a guild or what they want me to be, ofc i’ll be anything that the guild wants me to be for any particular event. I’m totally with you on that. My complaint is the FORCED like generally FORCED specs in end game raids. Can we agree atleast agree that its sad that for certain classes only 1 spec is viable? because the other 2 are less needed or flat out useless in certain areas.