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[Tehya-wildhammer]

@anon85930253

Ah, so does this then mean that it’s okay for non-RPers to be on the server? They don’t moderate against that either.

yeah just like it’s okay for us to slamdunk on them and remind them that they’re unwelcome

I don’t get what your argument is, it seems we’re agreeing Blizz needs to do a better job.

[Moody-argent-dawn (Moody)]

@Tehya-wildhammer

@Moody-argent-dawn

I thought we were all in agreement that AD forums had become a lawless state due to lack of moderation by Blizzard

we were until a thread being locked apparently counted but the lack of given sanctions now doesn’t count?

Sorry it’s hard to keep track.

I thought that was a result of the automated system automatically locking threads after it reaches a certain amount of flags. And highly flagged posts getting removed.

I don’t know how the system works. Are the blues back in town?

[anon85930253]

@Tehya-wildhammer

I don’t get what your argument is, it seems we’re agreeing Blizz needs to do a better job.

So, you are admitting then that your behaviour towards people like Rabies is unbecoming and should be moderated against? Got it!

[Watrus-argent-dawn (Watrus)]

@Moody-argent-dawn

I don’t know how the system works. Are the blues back in town?

… kind of?

[Athramus-argent-dawn-257317]

I think most of the posters here don’t need to act as hounds barking in the place of their master. If you have nothing of value to add, I think you could step back.

Imo, Umay has good intentions (ie. didn’t believe the officers endorsed this situation) and a lot of people here should really reconsider the lack of criteria upon which they’re acting.

@Tehya-wildhammer

we were until a thread being locked apparently counted but the lack of given sanctions now doesn’t count?

It’s really weird to appeal to the authority of Blizzard only when it is convenient for you - and deduce, among other things, the most convenient situation: namely that he didn’t ban you because you didn’t violate the rules, and not because of other reasons (not enough reports, too many people to ban, or simply because toxicity has become the rule here). Either way, appealing to Blizzard is just an attempt to dodge the bullet. The fact you didn’t get banned doesn’t mean you weren’t wrong.

[Carees-argent-dawn]

@Tehya-wildhammer

I think going by the lack of sanctions given Blizz is in firm disagreement so I sleep on this pretty hard.

That or Blizz is just refusing to act. They have a history of the latter when it comes to more serious situations after all.

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@Bragi-argent-dawn

You can’t cherrypick the least of their offences and pretend that’s what I’m referring to when I’m saying “harassment”. It wasn’t just that they said his name was bad, it was that it made him a bad stupid person who should feel bad.

It is the entirety of their offenses. They called his name bad + some said they could report it + they called him names based on his goofy replies

@Bragi-argent-dawn

I’ve been pretty clear on what I’m defining - “harassment” - and the terms in which it’s been defined - “insulting, demeaning, mocking, belittling and intimidating”, so I don’t know why you keep reverting to “saying his name was bad”.

Yeah I’m basically cool with all but the last bit (within reason, obviously - nothing below board like doxxing &c) honestly and I don’t consider “I can report you!” to be some bone-chilling sentence

Again, with this in mind I think your definition is whack - harassment implies something much, much harsher than “ur dumb” and implies that it is sustained over a long period of time. Now, if the people (for who I am responsible in that thread) then began to repeatedly contact Rabies IG, I would be very unhappy with them - because that would be what I consider harassment

@Bragi-argent-dawn

based and polite-pilled

Well, I’m a good Christian boy

@Bragi-argent-dawn

But the meaning of those words is already linked. They share synonyms in persecution, intimidation, pressure, etc. They are compatible species. It’s not an unnatural abomination I’m creating like a Liger, it’s a lovable mongrel like a Labradoodle

I think you are stretching your creative license in a big way. You can just say “I think it’s lame to be rude” and you would be making the same point and we would be on the same page

@Bragi-argent-dawn

nihilist: someone who rejects all religious and moral principles in the belief that [the forums] are meaningless

Well, I really don’t like doxxing as a forum argument tactic - this I have kicked someone for before in the past / think that people should focus on calling each other’s internet personas lame instead of that

Beyond that, sure. It’s not too important

@Bragi-argent-dawn

I think calling someone dumb is unkind, and I think saying it repeatedly is unnecessary and even more unkind

Agree up to this point. Something doesn’t need to be necessary for it to be something I won’t shake someone down for

@Bragi-argent-dawn

I feel like you’re only describing half of the picture.

Yeah I don’t feel that and I think that even if ten people tell you your name sucks (after you make that the focus of the topic) it’s not a game changer

@Bragi-argent-dawn

I don’t think it’s the same thing. When you’re reframing things, you’re not representing them in full - you’re offering partial or in some cases actual misrepresentations of what happened, and so you’re excluding in your definition anything inconvenient to your position.

Nah I don’t agree

@Bragi-argent-dawn

t’s not accurate to say that they were only protesting his name - that was a part of it, but they were also criticising him, and doing so repeatedly, in mocking and belittling posts.

Yet it began based on name + OOC guild until they were given a reason to call him dumb. Have you considered that so many people (many of which were not related to the PCU, as you must have by now discovered) began to say the same thing? Maybe some of his posts genuinely gave that impression

@Bragi-argent-dawn

The mentality I’m critiquing here is best represented by eager young PCU cadet Crowton (in another thread entirely)

(another thread entirely) aka. nice but unrelated

Also since it’s related to Vaxir I think Crowton’s post is based. They will be repaid in their own coin for all time until they type “sorry perroy”

@Bragi-argent-dawn

The entire premise of their derailment was that he’d broken the ToS, which he hadn’t, as many reasonable arguments in the thread proved - so, IF they weren’t ruled against (which could be, as you said earlier, due to a lack of moderation) - he certainly wasn’t either, proving they’d no grounds to go after him.

Maybe they thought his name was bad and then thought his replies were worse

@Bragi-argent-dawn

Almost like a man who believes in what he’s saying. I’m repeating myself because there seems to be a fundamental disagreement about the nature of events which alas I am unable to resolve to my satisfaction.

There’s no point playing a broken record - I don’t agree with your definitions and I won’t agree with them

@Bragi-argent-dawn

So I agree that the debate at this point is redundant and circular.

Yep

@Bragi-argent-dawn

Actually, no - and I’ll admit I’m wrong here. You can’t be responsible for people outside of the PCU. It’s just hard to tell who’s outside the PCU when, say, a person like Vixi - an ex-member - is riding in the same bandwagon (over poor Rabies) with a bunch of actual members

I can’t help being so deeply charismatic that random people back me up in forum arguments

@Bragi-argent-dawn

unhappy with this arrangement

Well, if it makes you feel any better I can’t remove yours either

@Bragi-argent-dawn

… which officer? I showed you mine, you show me yours -

I played a corporal called “Cogs” (gnome mage) and way later I played a gnome warrior sergeant though I honestly don’t remember his name - it was a character I didn’t invest very much time into because I didn’t enjoy the RP at the time. I think the name was “Dobber” maybe …

@Bragi-argent-dawn

oh.
/thread

Alas

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Moody-argent-dawn

I don’t know how the system works. Are the blues back in town?

They have been, recently, but only with the most subtle of touches. Check out the OP of this thread for example.

@anon85930253

So, you are admitting then that your behaviour towards people like Rabies is unbecoming and should be moderated against? Got it!

It should be much in the same way that OOCels shouldn’t be around to begin with, coomer.

@Carees-argent-dawn

Blizz is just refusing to act

my idea, but according to Umay/dwarfface’s reasoning it’s the other.

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@Moody-argent-dawn

I don’t know how the system works. Are the blues back in town?

It was (surprisingly) a manual lock. Manual edits happened to this OP too

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

I think most of the posters here don’t need to act as hounds barking in the place of their master. If you have nothing of value to add, I think you could step back.

Should I take this to mean you will never reply again, based on the last bit

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

Imo, Umay has good intentions (ie. didn’t believe the officers endorsed this situation) and a lot of people here should really reconsider the lack of criteria upon which they’re acting.

Almost everyone has good intentions. You’ve been watching too much capetrash if you think that people are like “OK … today I will have bad intentions”

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

It’s really weird to appeal to the authority of Blizzard only when it is convenient for you

In what sense is that weird

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

The fact you didn’t get banned doesn’t mean you weren’t wrong.

Doesn’t mean they’re not right either (which they are)

[anon85930253]

@Tehya-wildhammer

It should be much in the same way that OOCels shouldn’t be around to begin with

That’s very classy then, doing something you know is against the rules, yet pointing out the rules to others, hypocrite.

@Tehya-wildhammer

coomer

I don’t really bother with this kind of stuff anymore, you’ll be happy to hear.

[Moody-argent-dawn (Moody)]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

@Moody-argent-dawn

I don’t know how the system works. Are the blues back in town?

It was (surprisingly) a manual lock. Manual edits happened to this OP too

A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[Boltwrench-argent-dawn]

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

If you have nothing of value to add, I think you could step back.

I’d quote the old stones and glass houses adage here, but your windows are long broken I think.

@Athramus-argent-dawn-257317

The fact you didn’t get banned doesn’t mean you weren’t wrong.

What it means is that whoever reviewed the thread and its flagged posts before it was permanently locked decided that questioning someone’s name on an RP realm did not fit the criteria of harassment. Whether it was right or wrong is pretty subjective.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@anon85930253

That’s very classy then, doing something you know is against the rules, yet pointing out the rules to others, hypocrite.

Think instead I just quite simply don’t think it’s against the rules in Blizz’s eyes, even though I’d expect otherwise. We’re back at square one by the way.

@anon85930253

I don’t really bother with this kind of stuff anymore, you’ll be happy to hear.

Don’t believe you

(PS: dragon i noticed that you apparently quoted a post of mine and to spare you such efforts in the future I can assure you that your posts are nonexistent in my world)

[anon85930253]

@Tehya-wildhammer

Don’t believe you

Whatever will I do?

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@anon85930253

Whatever will I do?

whine on the forums, apparently.

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@anon85930253

Whatever will I do?

Probably advertise m+ boosts in /yell in Stormwind if the past is anything to go by

[anon85930253]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

Probably advertise m+ boosts in /yell in Stormwind if the past is anything to go by

You must have me confused with someone else, I have never advertised M+ boosts ever. I’m not much of a M+ player.

@Tehya-wildhammer

whine on the forums, apparently.

Sorry, that is your occupation I believe.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@anon85930253

Sorry, that is your occupation I believe.

https://gyazo.com/c9e12c3212d2b60147fe2b272c02f50b

[Perroy-argent-dawn (Perroy)]

@anon85930253

You must have me confused with someone else, I have never advertised M+ boosts ever. I’m not much of a M+ player.

I guess I’m more talking about a guild you’re in. Winds me up honestly because there’s like 2 other channels with a wider radius that could be used

[anon85930253]

@Perroy-argent-dawn

I guess I’m more talking about a guild you’re in. Winds me up honestly because there’s like 2 other channels with a wider radius that could be used

Which guild is that? Fruit Basket? Yeah, unfortunately they migrated to this server (they shouldn’t have) and have no understanding about RP rules. It sucks.

Pisses me off too, I spoke with the GM about it once but he doesn’t seem to care much.