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[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Umay-argent-dawn

are you saying that the P.C.U formally acknowledged that they have members that were former griefers, but that these members were granted amnesty on the condition that they stop all griefing?

It is no secret that the PCU does rehabilitation from time to time. We’re pretty big on second chances provided the chance is actually taken.

@Umay-argent-dawn

that there can be a moratorium on the prosecution of past sins, assuming they stay in the past and don’t emerge in the present.

I think that depends on the nature/frequency/severity of the sin. Most I saw on OP’s list are either still very much at it, have shown over years a disinterest in improvement, or have done things far beyond simple rehabilitation.

Some others on that list I have never even seen, despite my extreme activity on this forum, so I dare say that the blocking does not truly affect them.

I should add of course that the rehab schtick has to be worth doing. We aren’t volunteer babysitters.

[Arano-argent-dawn]

@Umay-argent-dawn

are you saying that the P.C.U formally acknowledged that they have members that were former griefers, but that these members were granted amnesty on the condition that they stop all griefing?

I’m not interested in names, but if that is what you’re saying, then I think that establishes an important precedent with particular regards to this thread - that there can be a moratorium on the prosecution of past sins, assuming they stay in the past and don’t emerge in the present.

One chance. Everyone gets a shot at redemption, but even though I don’t agree with ignoring people and all that, the people on Folktale’s list are more than just past offenders. These are people who still insist on their respective behavioural patterns.

@Umay-argent-dawn

number of the players in O.P’s list have been targeted because of their past transgressions, and that the forums in general have become a battleground in which the same (historic) battles are re-enacted again and again.

And ultimately it’s a two-way street. We can put OP on blast as much as we want, but you can’t state that PCU is only and always on the giving end of these and everyone else is blameless.

[Folktale-argent-dawn]

@Arano-argent-dawn

And ultimately it’s a two-way street. We can put OP on blast as much as we want, but you can’t state that PCU is only and always on the giving end of these and everyone else is blameless.

To be fair with so many people already using my list I have seen less mudflinging and repeat derailing!

[Témpercoil-argent-dawn]

Ah. The days of Rogmasha making daily posts about how u can ignore other people unrelated to what the topic is actually about. Memories.

[Croecell-argent-dawn (Croecell)]

@Umay-argent-dawn

Isn’t that the entire point of O.P’s thread though?

No, its about blocking people you don’t want to see anymore, which i find fine because sometimes people post nothing but drivel.

Or people post things because they like to be the devil’s advocate and nothing else

peers at you searchingly

[Umay-argent-dawn]

@Croecell-argent-dawn

Or people post things because they like to be the devil’s advocate and nothing else

Weird how you attacked my character and didn’t attack my arguments.

Almost as if you couldn’t…

[Croecell-argent-dawn (Croecell)]

No, you’re the perfect example.

But Tehya (who never sleeps) answered most your points which is why I don’t feel like reiterating them, he has given us a tool which is helpful.

Yes it wasn’t good that he posted his own list, but it got removed by Blizzard. But it is still a helpful tool.

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Croecell-argent-dawn

Tehya (who never sleeps)

I’ll have you know I have a perfectly healthy 5-hour sleep schedule.

[Folktale-argent-dawn]

@Croecell-argent-dawn

No, its about blocking people you don’t want to see anymore, which i find fine because sometimes people post nothing but drivel.

It’s also to restore a function we have had on the old forums and also the equivalent of the In-Game Ignore tool.

[Croecell-argent-dawn (Croecell)]

@Tehya-wildhammer

I’ll have you know I have a perfectly healthy 5-hour sleep schedule.

you never sleep

@Folktale-argent-dawn

It’s also to restore a function we have had on the old forums and also the equivalent of the In-Game Ignore tool.

That to, which is great and is why it should be commended.

[Krugraa-argent-dawn (Krugraa)]

@Tehya-wildhammer

perfectly healthy

@Tehya-wildhammer

5-hour sleep schedule.

in 10chars

[Umay-argent-dawn]

@Croecell-argent-dawn

But Tehya (who never sleeps) answered most your points which is why I don’t feel like reiterating them, he has given us a tool which is helpful.

Well, actually, no he didn’t, in fact when I said:

@Umay-argent-dawn

regardless of his motive, “slander people and prevent them from defending themselves” is what he did by, a) slandering them, and b), blocking them, which is what Croecell objected to in Brigante’s case

He said:

@Tehya-wildhammer

I do agree that adding his own list was a bit of a mistake, but it is what it is

So my point still stands. Mine and Tehya’s discussion was regarding O.Ps motive, not his actions, and his actions remain undisputed. Regardless of O.P’s intent, by insulting other posters and then blocking them, he was “talking mad crud” about them and refusing them the chance to defend themselves, as you objected to here:

@Croecell-argent-dawn

Also, I agree with Aerilen; don’t block somebody THEN start flinging mud when you will not open a dialogue for them to defend themselves.

So you still have to explain how it’s okay for O.P to do that, but not Brigante. Do try not to hide behind a) ad hominem or b) other posters when you respond.

[Koiffen-argent-dawn (Koiffen)]

@Umay-argent-dawn

Weird how you attacked my character and didn’t attack my arguments.

Almost as if you couldn’t…

Is accused of arguing for the sake of arguing

Argues the point

I can see you typing now, just know you’re already on my list at this point in time.

[Umay-argent-dawn]

@Arano-argent-dawn

And ultimately it’s a two-way street. We can put OP on blast as much as we want, but you can’t state that PCU is only and always on the giving end of these and everyone else is blameless.

I don’t know everybody on O.P’s list, but I’ve seen repeat offences actually occur in the thread, so by no means do I think - and nor did I state - the PCU is only on the giving end. I’m not proclaiming the innocence of any of the posters on that list, and of the ones I’m aware of, they’re definitely guilty.

@Tehya-wildhammer

I think that depends on the nature/frequency/severity of the sin. Most I saw on OP’s list are either still very much at it, have shown over years a disinterest in improvement, or have done things far beyond simple rehabilitation.

@Arano-argent-dawn

One chance. Everyone gets a shot at redemption, but even though I don’t agree with ignoring people and all that, the people on Folktale’s list are more than just past offenders. These are people who still insist on their respective behavioural patterns.

Well, let’s take Diamantia as an example.

@Diamantia-argent-dawn

It should also be added that this character also does whatever they can do try to get people away from PCU related things.

Heading to the barracks? He’ll tell you to go elsewhere to train.
Talking to a guard? Don’t let them recruit you!

It could be said they are doing this ‘IC’, however, their hate is OOC as well, reflected in their TRP showing to hate the PCU.

In this post from the “Why is the PCU so hated? Serious discussion” thread, they righteously complain about people prejudicing others against the PCU, both IC and OOC.

In these posts from the “What’s up with all these thirsty threads” thread, they not so righteously try to prejudice a neutral, uninformed party against the pasta sauce RP’er, while pretending to lament doing that exact thing -

@Diamantia-argent-dawn

You are completely clueless about what they are on about with the ‘pasta sauce’ aren’t you?

@Diamantia-argent-dawn

Don’t be. I regretted when I found out what it was.
I can’t post the link because I believe it goes against some ToS due to the content found within the screenshot.
However, in the most simple sense of what it contains:

People of the rebel role-players on Horde side talking about how they ERP’d with jars of pasta sauce.

@Diamantia-argent-dawn

It is damn strong, I know… The want to feed that ‘What is that screenshot’.
Might be able to link it to you someway, but not here.

@Diamantia-argent-dawn

I only give that out to friends…

Hang on. I think I know a means

Now I could be wrong, but I don’t think the gentleman in question is still devoted to roleplay around popular Italian cooking brands. I see “Dolmio” mentioned repeatedly in various threads in jeering terms, often uncontested and unchallenged by the people it is directed at - as in the thread Diamantia was posting in. It was done - this is a fact. It was crass, juvenile, stupid, embarrassing - also a fact. But there’s been no ceasefire, just a perpetuation of hostilities in the form of an endless cold war, in which Diamantia is trying to recruit new participants.

From what I understand, Brigante’s transgression was mana-bombing an entire campaign. This imaginary war crime is indeed a fairly major faux pas in terms of both RP etiquette and not acting like an idiot. In this thread alone, he’s also described various people of being “narcissists”, “egomaniacs” and “toadies”, which is exactly what Perroy described here:

@Perroy-argent-dawn

100% disagree with this. Maybe you haven’t read some of the stranger offerings that lash out in various ways, though that may be because they’re deleted pretty quickly

But on the other hand, “Brigante-posting” has become a pejorative term on the forums, he’s regularly lambasted for posting boring word-salads even when he’s making an innocent post in PCU-unrelated threads, and regularly disparaged (including in this thread) even when he hasn’t posted (yet).

@Koiffen-argent-dawn

Weird how you attacked my character and didn’t attack my arguments.

Almost as if you couldn’t…

Is accused of arguing for the sake of arguing

Argues the point

Ahaha, whoops! My bad, I forgot how accusing somebody of arguing for the sake of it immediately invalidates all their arguments!

[Umay-argent-dawn]

@Koiffen-argent-dawn

I can see you typing now, just know you’re already on my list at this point in time.

As a wise man once said,

@Tehya-wildhammer

Forum debates have never been about convincing the other, it’s about convincing the reader(s).

[Koiffen-argent-dawn (Koiffen)]

[Arano-argent-dawn]

@Umay-argent-dawn

From what I understand, Brigante’s transgression was mana-bombing an entire campaign.

I’m afraid, you understand falsely. That’s just an IC thing to which people reacted to IC. Dare I say it was even based from OOC point of view, even though a little over-blown, Initially trying to easily slaughter 500+ people, which was tuned down to 100 or so. IIRC

But no, the actual problem is a lot more related to what happened more recently. And I don’t think I’m obligated to do a full-blown history lesson on individuals rewriting someone elses character, attempting to kill them without the OOC consent, but also a list of other crazy and whacky things.

@Umay-argent-dawn

I see “Dolmio” mentioned repeatedly in various threads in jeering terms, often uncontested and unchallenged by the people it is directed at - as in the thread Diamantia was posting in.

Probably because the people it was pointed at are embarrassed, and rightly so. But you’d be foolish to think they’ve not “”“”“”“retaliated”“”“”“”, it’s simply that their means are a lot more griefing large RP events, instead of a open verbal spar on the forums.

@Umay-argent-dawn

Just out of interest, how did they react IC? By disintegrating into ashclouds?

Manabombing occurred at NPC’s. Not PC’s

[Umay-argent-dawn]

@Arano-argent-dawn

I’m afraid, you understand falsely. That’s just an IC thing to which people reacted to IC

Just out of interest, how did they react IC? By disintegrating into ashclouds?

[Tehya-wildhammer]

@Umay-argent-dawn

In this post from the “Why is the PCU so hated? Serious discussion” thread, they righteously complain about people prejudicing others against the PCU, both IC and OOC.

Except instead she was clarifying something to someone who clearly didn’t get the sauce references.

@Umay-argent-dawn

Brigante’s transgression was mana-bombing an entire campaign

One of many transgressions really. An ultimately minor but all the same funny one. If it was just that, it’d be far more forgettable.

@Umay-argent-dawn

As a wise man once said,

Sorry koiffen i cant backup dance you when people compliment me.

@Arano-argent-dawn

attempting to kill them without the OOC consent

Or rather, without the other’s participation to begin with. On a holiday or something, wasn’t it?

@Umay-argent-dawn

Just out of interest, how did they react IC? By disintegrating into ashclouds?

He epicly nuked 500+ NPCs, not players. The mana bomb tale is mostly just a rlly funny one.