May I ask if you know Taka personally? Have you met her?
If not then your allegations are based on what you have read on social media, you have seen this information and made a personal judgement.
Please don’t be offended by what I say all I am trying to point out is that lots of people will make the same assumption, without personally knowing this individual.
What people are doing now is the same thing, some for some against. So instead of waiting for proof, we all put forward our ‘facts’ which mostly come down to personal views.
I read that she admitted to being flirty and kissing friends, I did not read that she admitted to having a drinking problem, if I missed it I apologise. I did read somebody else accusing her of having a drinking problem though.
BEING BELIEVED AND WINNING IN COURT IS NOT THE SAME THING.
had to caps this as you really do not understand at all.
I can explain but i it should be very easy to understand and i should not need to explain as it is so obvious and simple.
Taken from cps.gov.uk stats regarding rape for 2020:
“The volume of pre-charge receipts from the police fell to 14.4% in Q2 RYTD compared with 22.8% in 2018/19.” This means of all cases referred 14.4% were passed to the CPS.
“The proportion of suspects charged (out of all legal decisions) has increased, from 47.0% Q3 2018/19 to 59.4% Q2 2019/20. There is an increase of 1.4% in the volume of suspects charged in Q2 RYTD compared with a fall of 37.7% in 2018/19, with a higher charging rate of 52.0%.” This means that of the cases passed to the CPS, 59.4% of them were deemed to be able to result in a realistic prospect of conviction. 59.4% of 14.4 = 8.6 approx (relating to our original figure)
“The volume of completed prosecutions fell to 22.8% in Q2 RYTD compared with 32.8% in 2018/19”. This means that when looking at cases that make it to the prosecution stage, only 22.8% are finished, the rest are aquitted or abandoned for other reasons. 22.8% of 8.6 = 1.96%.
SO regarding our original figure this means we end up with about 1.96% of call cases brought the police regarding rape resulting in a sucessfully completed prosecution and conviction, the vast majority of them do not even make it to the prosecution stage, and for those that do, nearly four fifths of them are abandoned in favour of some other conclusion.
That’s where my stats are coming from, where are yours coming from?
I know they’re not the same, but you’d expect the figure to be higher wouldn’t you?
See above, a huge majority of cases brought forth don’t even make it to the courtroom, if women are always believed, why is this the case?
Don;t you think there’d be a huge uproar if it was found that the police believe pretty much every sexual assault claim they hear but also fail to do anything about a vast majority of those claims because of the way the processing works? Don’t you think it’d prompt a review of how it should work? I fail to believe any public administrator would accept and believe a majority of cases coming to their law department but also simultaenously just leave the justice system in such a way where it can’t render those individuals justice and go “Yeah I believe you, but you see, the way this system works, you probably won’t get justice. Not really much we can do about it though.”
The more plausible conclusion is that women are believed as often as they are disbelieved.
This is called “systemic discrimination”. Did you know that English law took the position that a man could not be guilty of raping his wife until as recently as 1991 and “marital rape” was only explicitly made illegal in 2003? Within living memory, the State supported men raping their wives.
And, yes, there IS an uproar. It’s just that most media outlets in the UK are right-wing and don’t want to make a big deal out of it.
“If all women were believed, don’t you think that the conviction figure would be higher?”
Your response:
“Believing a woman and convicting a r*****t aren’t the same.”
I’m suggesting one might infer the other, not that they’re identical, but please, carry on with that accusation. I’m suggesting a causal relationship and you seem to think i’m suggesting they’re equivalent.
If I suggest having more hens may increase the number of eggs I see in my garden would you suggest i’m saying the number of hens is always equal to eggs? Or that hens are equal to eggs?
if you wanna talk about systemic discrimination i noticed you also glossed over the fact that until that very same year men were not able to be victims of rape under english law at all. and currently in english law a man cannot be raped by a woman due to the wording of the law. In most places globally men are incapable of being raped at all under current laws. And need we even mention the duluth model? Sounds a lot like systemic discrimination to me.
Also family court bias is real, the gender prison sentencing gap is about 6 times higher than the racial gap. Men get 63% more prison time than a woman for the same crime. Womens breast cancer gets 4 times more funding than prostate cancer despite it killing more.
Oh and how many mens only shelters exist in UK or even europe at all compared to female only ones?
Many of these things listed are also the reason why the suicide rates in men are higher than women. More women might attempt suicide, but it’s men who actually go through with it.
As somebody who has worked with people who are on the brink, many of those clients were men and the truth is - they don’t get enough support and their issues could be any of those listed above and I think we do need to look into getting men the support they also need.
If we live in a world where it’s all about the “equality” then can we start helping men as well. Helping men isn’t cancelling out women’s aid (I should know ), but it is what equality says on the tin…it’s equality.
I have not worked such as my job, but been on council due … reasons … and men do suffer the ‘face they must keep’ - though guy act that our society puts in them.
In my eyes victim and people in need are victims and people in need regardless of gender, and us, as society should focus on all victims. And do it united. Like there is still stigma, where people believe that men cannot be raped. Or women cannot be rapists.
With same voluntarism I have needed to meet women, who get beaten up by their spouses - and … met men who get beaten up by their girlfriends. This society still needs to work very hard to help victims of crime - instead focus on social media ‘profile pictures’ to show support of air to random social media campaigns that means absolutely nothing.
Exactly.
We’ve got so much work to do, to help all people who are suffering.
This is about people just being treated as people.
Hell, in my hometown of Manchester - I don’t believe we had a single, designated support line for men who were victims of rape, until Reynhard Sinaga.
But i do hope you least had one for women ? Fact is state of rape victims in general is not good - it is one crime, where victims seem to suffer twice. 1st when it happens and 2nd time, when no one believes. And this is why I hate #metoo (as what happened after initial campaign) with passion as now people on social media constantly joke about and it got even worse when some of the #metoo cases appeared to be flat-out lies. The initial trigger was good - victims got a voice and attention. It seemed to go well.
… but like with all good there came the opportunists to use the moment. And now when in media appears article of women taking voice against a boss (last week in local national opera), people laugh and say “oh look some women and their American #metoo attention seeking” or “lol media trying to get clicks” …
Now coming back to men in particular. Men mental health has raised on focus here due to some banker dude doing suicide in his backyard. It is almost crazy that we talk about problems only when there’s some media campaign. Really ?
We do have shelters and support for women and the ironic thing is, the support line that was set up to help men has been such a success that it’s turned into a true sanctuary for both men and women who are victims of assault.
This is what happens when we put aside the media narrative of “men vs women” or “male vs female” and we just work together.
Their are some nasty men and women in this world. We won’t help them, but the majority of people are good people who want to work together. Men and women bounce off each other. Each bringing unique traits to the table and these should be treasured.
I hate the whole #metoo as well. It’s why I come off social media and I just don’t do it anymore. I have Whatsapp for close friends, work colleagues and family.
Back in the days of 2011 when I was young and care-free, I used to think social media (facebook, twitter, instagram) was everything…now though, I’d be glad to see it cast away into the darkest pits.
This what amazes me - why every time, when people start to get and feel even remotely united, there happens something that divides us. If i’d be paranoid I would suggest that its politically engineered divide - just like the one in US now. It is good when we are too busy fighting between ourselves instead being united.
So seems someone always tries to divide people because divided people cannot stand up for upper class.
Me too. And I am female. This constant us vs. them that happens in so many levels.
Likewise I have distanced myself from public social media and is also part reason I am so fed up of SJWs trying to break their opinions into gaming forums.