Gear difference between Duelist and Rival too big

If he sees DH about to do the hunt he’ll just stay near to throw blind or whatever. He can restealth right in front of DH if not attacked, no need to run anywhere. And if DH switches on him to keep in combat then mage escapes :smiley:

He has two though?

Feint and 7-second stuns say hi.

Can still dr-stun for 3 seconds if needed.

Then why I barely see anyone except for rogues and mages telling me how to win vs rogue/mage? :thinking: Where are those ‘high level players that do it consistently’?

NOPE, there wasn’t shadow blades anywhere. You can clearly see them being on cd.

Same, shadow blades were on cooldown as you can see. That bar below hp is cooldowns.

You got it all wrong. I died to shadow dance alone, was nothing else.

Your RSham can hit him?

He’ll use 1 to step you after he saps, then if hes forced to use one to run thats both gone =O

He has to pre use it, if you see him Feint hold your stun until it drops… you stupid or something?

How exactly, I would have Triple DR Cheaped you in the opener. Even if he doesn’t and Kindeys you he can’t stun you unless he wants to waste a Shadow Dance for a DR Cheap shot.

Go ask some better players, or watch some streams… you’ll see it very often at high ratings.

Oh you have the CD above the name plate, still that was Symbols and Dance, no trinket.

2nd vid was Echoing Rep maybe, I can’t see the buff clearly. it looks like it though, that will kill you.

I’ll tell you more - I had games when he popped shadow dance and 1v1ed me easily without even stunning.

If you got killed 1v1 by a Rogue while not in a stunned at all you’re a bot. You didn’t think to stun him? or imprison him? or even just dash away?

Also re read my pervious post, it got sent with not being finished, not sure what happened there.

Obviously Rogues are good into a DH since you can die in a stun I’m not denying that, but you can beat them though if you play well, especially 1800 Rogues. That’s how the game is, some classes are going to be very good at killing your class. It’s the same for every class in the game.

Yeah, so I need to prevent rogue’s restealth by dashing away?
All my stuns and defensives were on cd (because I needed them to stop burst), so I thought that if rogue is caught out of stealth I can trade hits with him, BUT NO.
Rogue is just ALWAYS stronger than me (as class) - more dps, more survivability, more cc.

Yeah, but what if they play well too? Which is often the case.

Rogues are “good” (actually - disgustingly OP) vs most classes.

So you dash away and throw your Glaive at them to keep combat. If he has Dance up and you don’t have anything obviously you won’t be trading blows with him.

They don’t, really… they don’t. I can tell you from personal experience a good Rogue atm is very hard to find.

Thats not actually true, there’s quite a few classes Rogues struggle into. Warriors, Hunters, Ferals and Ret’s to name a few. Thought not 100% on the Ret.

“quite a few” being 3 classes, ok :smiley:

Yep, okay. Well I’m bored now, have fun with it.

Like I say, own worst enemy.

U all shoulf stop Fall for baitful Gladiator anoraaz

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yea i rly wonder why all his threads are 200+ comment lul

Most of it can be summed up to people being bored.

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Blade is not minor, it’s a long DPS cooldown. It doesn’t make you oneshot someone but it boosts your overall damage over 20 sec duration. It’s like Avatar from warrior or berserk from Feral. You don’t need to press every single button against shadowblades alone but you better kite the rogue when you can and be topped overall.

not sure if trolling at this point but let’s roll with it, make sure you respect shadow blades it is a very serious cooldown!

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Its like only way for rogue to deal any noteworthy damage on plate lol

definitely those shadowy blades can cut through anything

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Tell me please how having an extra 50% multiplier as shadow damage to your shadow strike on top of symbols and dance is weak

How are shadow blades relevant to anything here? The issue is that Shadow Dance alone can 100-0 in one stun, and it has 1min(?) cd. So, rogue can do:

  1. stun → shadow dance
  2. stun → shadow blades
  3. stun → shadow dance
  4. stun → flaggelation
  5. stun → shadow dance

    every 30 seconds. And mage also has combustion.

Why is it allowed?

its 30% in pvp and you don’t shadowstrike that much, esp as kyrian. shadowstrike also doesn’t hit very hard. damage comes mostly from eviscerates (and flag if venth). it can be nice on kidney goes, esp as venth. the extra points can help you line up blues on kyrian. the duration is mostly whatever because usually you’ll do your go, stuff will happen, and you’ll run until next go. sometimes it can do a bit more if you swap while it’s still up.

think the shadow dmg it does on a go as a kyrian is like 5k or something typically. the value of the extra points varies.

Hello anorraz i wrote some of Ur threads

God damnit why does every ability have a PvP scaling that you only find out after someone mentioning it on WoW forums. Thanks for explanation.
I meant it in the way that if rogue uses shadow blades you would sort of expect him to make a go with other cds before blades run out since it would be kinda stupid to throw away this ability.
Yes, shadow blades alone does not do much.