General RP Chat #52: *A flash of light did nothing*

30/09/2018 08:35Posted by Uruk
30/09/2018 01:31Posted by Cathríon
It's some quest text where he wants you to get rid of the Witherbark around, and he says something along the lines of "Blight them, or whatever it is you Death Knights do."


Actually the one who said that was Galen Trollbane, not Thoras. But yeah, we did blight them. Though they are trolls with which the Trollbanes were against for centuries so it's not surprising that Thoras would want to exterminate the filth.


Oh, excuse me, could've sworn Thoras said something about it, either way, the notion either of them want to basically nuke a part of the Highlands is pretty much nonsense, which is my main point. If alive, they would not harbour such interest.

Speaking of Galen though, another prime example of any Undead actually showing free will being declared an enemy and having to be exterminated.

30/09/2018 03:58Posted by Marinya
I'm only saying that the established lore about the undead condition explains why some seem like particularly terrible people. It still does nothing to justify why people raised on a battlefield immediately turn on their comrades or why Sira would be so loyal to her killers and Delaryn obedient to the person who seemingly had thousands of night elves (the majority?) burned to prove a petty point.


That's pretty much what we're discussing, though. That is the issue. No one is annoyed that people getting raised are ticked off, that's naturally understandable. It's how they're ticked off which is an issue.

They've become so overwhelmingly obsessed with raising people that it hasn't even got shock value anymore. Everyone's just rolling their eyes or legitimately disgruntled at how crap it is.

I don't think they realise how badly the idea of "anyone who dies can come back", especially when overdone, just cheapens literally everything.
30/09/2018 19:17Posted by Cathríon
I don't think they realise how badly the idea of "anyone who dies can come back", especially when overdone, just cheapens literally everything

I call this the Dragon ball Syndrome.
30/09/2018 19:17Posted by Cathríon

That's pretty much what we're discussing, though. That is the issue. No one is annoyed that people getting raised are ticked off, that's naturally understandable. It's how they're ticked off which is an issue.


My point is that there's precedent as to undeath apparently nudging you toward "evil" but even then Blizzard is being laughably inconsistent about the apparent agency and individuality of the reanimated with recent lore having Sylvanas and Pals paraphrasing Scourge propaganda.


I don't think they realise how badly the idea of "anyone who dies can come back", especially when overdone, just cheapens literally everything.


I figured Delaryn would be important given her role and personality but I thought that payoff was her Warbringer sendoff so as to make it more dramatic. A character we've just gotten to know getting a prominent role as drama fuel.

Then she's made a dark ranger, serving the genocidal tyrant for [reasons], which I personally can only tolerate as an ironic reflection of the banshee queen as she goes full Arthas.
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02/10/2018 23:31Posted by Mithcha
Silly forum bug keeps hiding my tabard.

Also, 1000 posts. Woo. Only took 5 years.


Gz. I got a bit occupied with real life stuff so I'm not posting much these days but my goal is to get to 20k posts before Christmas.
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03/10/2018 21:43Posted by Vardamìr
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Well done!
I'm just going to say on the record that Ikaallu had no parodical intentions in her original design.

https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/status/1020737550233743360
This is concerning however. I mean....really Blizzard?
04/10/2018 10:59Posted by Ikaallu
I'm just going to say on the record that Ikaallu had no parodical intentions in her original design.

https://twitter.com/ChristieGolden/status/1020737550233743360
This is concerning however. I mean....really Blizzard?


Why not? It's a funny little story to wrap some pictures from Comic Con.

Or were you referring to the Anduin / Sylvanas figures? It's just standard merchandising you get for pretty much every setting / game.

Edit: except maybe for the fact that they look kinda cheap done and unfinished... not to draw any parallels to other recent Blizzard products. :-D
05/10/2018 07:12Posted by Velaeda
Edit: except maybe for the fact that they look kinda cheap done and unfinished... not to draw any parallels to other recent Blizzard products. :-D

Parallels :p

Considering that Banshee Sylvanas is canon.....doesn’t bode well to suggest of ‘Lightbound’ Anduin. Why is it LB instead of Lightforged? One is a rabid cat and the other is a cuddly cat, in comparison.
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05/10/2018 09:45Posted by Xylvyra
Why is it LB instead of Lightforged? One is a rabid cat and the other is a cuddly cat, in comparison.

I think this is called reading into implications that aren't there.
It's lightbound because generic coolfantasyname.
05/10/2018 09:51Posted by Deolaras
I think this is called reading into implications that aren't there.It's lightbound because generic coolfantasyname.

Two months ago? I'd have agreed with you wholeheartedly.

Points to Sira and Delaryn
Now? Not so sure.
05/10/2018 09:46Posted by Beringer
hi guis

Hi! Welcome to Winter! I'm posting on the wrong char to get the creepy effect over but \o/
05/10/2018 09:45Posted by Xylvyra
doesn’t bode well to suggest of ‘Lightbound’ Anduin. Why is it LB instead of Lightforged?


Lightbound is imo easier to say. I think Blizzard may've noticed it as well. Lightforged is a funny phrase to say out loud, once. But repeating "yeah I play lightforged draenei because lightforged dranei are the best there is i hope other lightforged races will be added soon oh yeah lightforgeeeeeed" is a tongue-twister.
Points to Sira and Delaryn
Now? Not so sure.

No name Warden and Delaryn "born to be raised"?
05/10/2018 09:46Posted by Beringer
Let me remind you of the harsh fact that the cycle of time is about to usher us into cold, unforgiving embrace of winter.

hi guis


Sounds good to me. The cold beckons.
05/10/2018 10:58Posted by Deolaras
No name Warden and Delaryn "born to be raised"?
*shrugs*
I don't know what to say to that. Sira's been around since Cataclysm. On Delaryn they seemed to have had this dastardly plan to just do a 'GRRM' on a nelf character. Except the idea's been corrupted as they're still alive in another form \o/
Eh, I think people are making the Sira and Delaryn situation out to be worse than it is actually. Blizzard has been doing things like these for the sake of plot and convenience for as long as I remember.

And it's not like it doesn't make sense, it's normal for an undead to want to bring death to all living, right..? That isn't just me... Right...?
08/10/2018 13:05Posted by Thedraes
And it's not like it doesn't make sense, it's normal for an undead to want to bring death to all living, right..? That isn't just me... Right...?

Depends on the undead in question. The Scourge did, but the Ebon Blade was shown to care hugely for the lives of innocents. At least up until the end of Legion cos someone decided to write dragon-genocide-smut. And yes Sylvie-the-Lich-Queen. Then there’s the paradox of Holy Light using forsaken. By nature of the forces they believe in they couldn’t possibly want to extinguish all life.
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08/10/2018 13:05Posted by Thedraes
Eh, I think people are making the Sira and Delaryn situation out to be worse than it is actually. Blizzard has been doing things like these for the sake of plot and convenience for as long as I remember.


I concur in regards to people overreacting about this particular scenario, but it's symptomatic of a much greater issue. Personally, I find destroying characters like Lilian Voss by having her killing people, then retrieving their corpses and bringing them back for the sole purpose of raising to be far more detrimental, but it's as simple as this ... people are bored with A ) the quite frankly ludicrous amount of raising of the dead which has killed literally any impact it has, B ) Night Elves always losing and looking stupid while the Undead, in contrast, get away with basically everything and C ) the fact they claim the Undead raised by Sylvanas have free will, yet they all serve her without question and in most cases, they try to justify it.

Delaryn, yeah, okay, fine, whatever, I get the concept of this. Sylvanas is Arthas, and Delaryn is Sylvanas. Good one Blizzard, you're so clever. Have fun with that. Sira, however, is just a blatant attempt at shock value. "Hey, you remember this chick? You met her once. Isn't it horrible how she's been killed and raised? Eh? Eh? Those dastardly Undead, right? Faction pride, woo!" which, like I said before, has zero impact because they've already raised an absurd amount of people since this expansion began.

It's just crap story telling. I mean, the whole Horde campaign is laughable. You go on some obsessive quest to retrieve some guy's corpse we've never heard of before, and the moment you find it, you just so happen to find Derek Proudmoore's body there too. The second you read "Derek Proudmoore", what did you think? Because I was like "oh wonderful, we're going to raise him".

I can't wait for the two or three quests we do after we raise him, that lead to him instantly turning his back on his mother and nation, whilst pledging allegiance to Sylvanas, while Lilian Voss explains "Hey, this is what you are, now. They won't accept you. You better work for us or Nathanos will have me kill you, though." and him just being cool with it.

They seriously need to take some advice from the Gob Squad and go for a curveball, because this is just boring garbage.