You look like a very fine and upstanding bringer of death and decay.
On topic: I can fully agree. I am, myself, debating whether or not I feel like sticking around. I want to. I want to give things a fair chance and potentially take Tethenar further in RP, but it just seems like Blizzard are taking every chance they can to drop the ball as often as they can.
I would dearly love to be able to feel at least a sense of pride in my own race, if not my own faction. Thus far, it seems like Blizz wants to write much of the Horde as being wholly behind Sylvanas. If time shows that they wish to write the Blood Elves as being firmly on Sylvanas' side, then I'm gone. Simple as. I am growing very tired of people -constantly- screwing over their elven factions.
I like my elves as the badasses they're supposed to be (Blood and Night), and not simply be reduced to lackeys or punching bags. Give us some of our pride back, dammit!
17/10/2018 17:37Posted by TethenarIf time shows that they wish to write the Blood Elves as being firmly on Sylvanas' side, then I'm gone.
Lor'themar, in the heritage armour questline, basically attributes the Blood Elves still being a race to her "heroic defence" of Quel'Thalas during the Scourge invasion, in spite of the fact if everyone stood aside and just allowed Arthas to use the Sunwell to raise Kel'Thuzad, he probably would've traipsed in and out with minimal causalities, since that's all he wanted anyway ...
... but I guess now they're pretending he wanted to exterminate the Elves rather than just use the Sunwell, and somehow Sylvanas' inept defence of Eversong saved us all, or something. I don't know.
But yes, in spite of Blizzard having Lor'themar treating Alleria like absolutely filth for basically no good reason whatsoever, he now suddenly respects Sylvanas.
I'm on the fence as well to be honest. This expansion made me dislike the Horde. I joined Thrall's Horde, I don't care about Sylvanas and her ideals.
Nothing can salvage the Horde story anymore. We either get to blindly follow a genocidal corpse or we again rebel and tear ourselves apart. There's no third way apart from Sylvanas being redeemed but after everything she'd done, the last thing she deserves is a redemption arc.
The only thing that will salvage the Horde now is to remove Sylvanas from the position of warchief and give us someone like Thrall. Someone who isn't a warmonger but is ready to fight when needed in order to preserve the Horde. Someone who upholds the ideals of the Horde.
If they don't remove Sylvanas by the end of BfA, I'll finally unsub. While inner conflict does offer excellent and exciting RP opportunities and character development potential, experiencing same thing twice while being thrown into villain's role is not something I personally enjoy and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
So far I've remained subbed due to RP and forums. But if the situation doesn't improve soon and this nonsensical war ends for good, I'm out.
Just my two cents.
Nothing can salvage the Horde story anymore. We either get to blindly follow a genocidal corpse or we again rebel and tear ourselves apart. There's no third way apart from Sylvanas being redeemed but after everything she'd done, the last thing she deserves is a redemption arc.
The only thing that will salvage the Horde now is to remove Sylvanas from the position of warchief and give us someone like Thrall. Someone who isn't a warmonger but is ready to fight when needed in order to preserve the Horde. Someone who upholds the ideals of the Horde.
If they don't remove Sylvanas by the end of BfA, I'll finally unsub. While inner conflict does offer excellent and exciting RP opportunities and character development potential, experiencing same thing twice while being thrown into villain's role is not something I personally enjoy and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
So far I've remained subbed due to RP and forums. But if the situation doesn't improve soon and this nonsensical war ends for good, I'm out.
Just my two cents.
I've genuinely considered unsubbing too.
You can count on one hand how many times I bother logging in each month. That's 12€ for five-or-fewer logins that at this point I'd probably get more out of if I spent it on beer (and that's not much with alcohol prices in my country, it's crazy expensive here).
Most of my "gaming time" is taken up by FFXIV, which probably doesn't surprise anyone considering how often I bang on about it. And since it too is subscription based it'd be considerably easier on my wallet if I dropped one, and with the situation being what it is, doesn't take a genius to figure out which one that would be.
These forums are the main reason I keep the sub running and that's a pretty sad state of affairs... and even most of the people here I can just contact via Discord instead.
You can count on one hand how many times I bother logging in each month. That's 12€ for five-or-fewer logins that at this point I'd probably get more out of if I spent it on beer (and that's not much with alcohol prices in my country, it's crazy expensive here).
Most of my "gaming time" is taken up by FFXIV, which probably doesn't surprise anyone considering how often I bang on about it. And since it too is subscription based it'd be considerably easier on my wallet if I dropped one, and with the situation being what it is, doesn't take a genius to figure out which one that would be.
These forums are the main reason I keep the sub running and that's a pretty sad state of affairs... and even most of the people here I can just contact via Discord instead.
I've been contemplating making an alt or maybe leveling up an old character to give myself a break from being Rorick. I mean, I enjoy being Rorick but I find myself wanting something entirely different every now and then. I might make that Blood Elf or orc that I've been planning to make since forever. Or something different.
On the subject of blood elves and Sylvanas' horde, I'm a bit saddened that I seem to be the only person who considered her Arthas antics a major issue.
The war of thorns mirroring the deadly march north through Quel'Thalas, the raising of the dead as disposable slaves and general theme of a horde in the service of Death culminate in vivid flashbacks to a racewide trauma that might as well have happened yesterday.
None of this is okay. Especially not so soon after another "regime change" after the orc leader treated the elves like a conquered vassal to be used and abused with the second war atrocities still fresh in everyone's mind.
I'm fine with blood elves being coldly pragmatic and unsentimental, the horde a tool of survival. That being said, even the most indifferent have standards which becomes especially troublesome with Lightweilders who depend on the belief that they're in the right to do what they do.
The culture shift from Blood Elf to Sun Elf lately is thus even more bizzare as I for one cannot picture a righteous paladin atop a mountain of corpses with an army of the damned at their side without said paladin being a very damaged person.
In a wider sense, the writers do the horde a major disservice by having everyone so quiet and obedient. The proud orcs in particular would not stand for a tyrant defiling the world (again!) as it drags their whole honour and redemption narrative straight into a grave.
The war of thorns mirroring the deadly march north through Quel'Thalas, the raising of the dead as disposable slaves and general theme of a horde in the service of Death culminate in vivid flashbacks to a racewide trauma that might as well have happened yesterday.
None of this is okay. Especially not so soon after another "regime change" after the orc leader treated the elves like a conquered vassal to be used and abused with the second war atrocities still fresh in everyone's mind.
I'm fine with blood elves being coldly pragmatic and unsentimental, the horde a tool of survival. That being said, even the most indifferent have standards which becomes especially troublesome with Lightweilders who depend on the belief that they're in the right to do what they do.
The culture shift from Blood Elf to Sun Elf lately is thus even more bizzare as I for one cannot picture a righteous paladin atop a mountain of corpses with an army of the damned at their side without said paladin being a very damaged person.
In a wider sense, the writers do the horde a major disservice by having everyone so quiet and obedient. The proud orcs in particular would not stand for a tyrant defiling the world (again!) as it drags their whole honour and redemption narrative straight into a grave.
18/10/2018 17:24Posted by MarinyaI'm a bit saddened that I seem to be the only person who considered her Arthas antics a major issue.
What do you mean? Literally everyone recognises this and is disgusted by it except for Forsaken enthusiasts or a few random people here or there.
The problem is that it is such a major lore issue, we basically have to ignore it or we couldn't play the game anymore.
I guess I'm just running into all the wrong people, spiteful to the enemy (listing every slight since Garithos on impulse to justify anything) and wholly indifferent to the methods by which absolute victory is attained.
I'm just so partial to a principled and, as I see it, cultural aversion to this current horde that several of my characters cannot function within it and even when it eventually changes again, as it must, the new normal has too much baggage.
I'm just so partial to a principled and, as I see it, cultural aversion to this current horde that several of my characters cannot function within it and even when it eventually changes again, as it must, the new normal has too much baggage.
I never really got deep into the Horde storyline. Not because I'm exclusively Alliance but this faction is just where all my friends were so I've always sat comfortable on the Blue side. Honestly, I would like the way the Horde storyline was going with Sylvanas if they'd made it feel more like an existential struggle for survival. I would love if the Horde did the things they did because otherwise they'd face extinction. Instead we've got the Alliance looking like a bunch of completely reasonable boyscouts and the Horde being the big, big bad dudes.
I want to see a Silvermoon that feels deeply uncomfortable with the direction that Sylvanas has taken the Horde but has literally nowhere else to go. Now we've got Silvermoon that was literally offered a way out of the Horde and didn't take it. It's frustrating.
I want to see a Silvermoon that feels deeply uncomfortable with the direction that Sylvanas has taken the Horde but has literally nowhere else to go. Now we've got Silvermoon that was literally offered a way out of the Horde and didn't take it. It's frustrating.
18/10/2018 18:21Posted by RorickHonestly, I would like the way the Horde storyline was going with Sylvanas if they'd made it feel more like an existential struggle for survival. I would love if the Horde did the things they did because otherwise they'd face extinction.
Lorewise, that's basically the internal propaganda that the horde flocks to while a few good men sit on their thumbs waiting for the return of saviour Saurfang.
I want to see a Silvermoon that feels deepline uncomfortable with the direction that Sylvanas has taken the Horde but has literally nowhere else to go. Now we've got Silvermoon that was literally offered a way out of the Horde and didn't take it. It's frustrating.
That's a good angle that I fully endorse. The Warchief has done heinous things and by association, Silvermoon must stand with her because she dragged the whole horde down with her. This excess means that the Alliance will treat the Horde as one entity to be exterminated and in the desperation to win and be done with it, the blood elves will fight for their homeland under death's banner as willing accomplices for a reason other than what their enemy believes.
All this assuming the Horde buys Sylvanas' propaganda of first strike and justified genocide because otherwise, the golden boy holy lion king will surely put every Horde in the ground like running twigs through a sawmill.
The worst part is that this is in fact the Horde lore as it stands with blizzard either ignoring or neglecting tensions with even anti necromancy hardliners like Voss parroting Sylvanas' plan to exterminate humanity for a new undead empire.
Blizzard has hinted that Sylvanas isn't going anywhere, right? I mean, I wouldn't mind her and the way she's behaving if it were more clearly a struggle for the right to exist. That would require a more morally gray Alliance and so far I'm not seeing anything of that at all. Which is a shame. Now the Alliance gets the boring luxury of fighting the bad guys. I want both sides to struggle for survival.
There is so much potential and it feels sadly like Blizzard aren't intent on utilizing any of it. We're getting Anduin versus Sylvanas while there is a lot of potential in the story of the Night Elves craving vengeance and going maybe way too far in that.
/bored good guy bored with being a boring good guy rant over
There is so much potential and it feels sadly like Blizzard aren't intent on utilizing any of it. We're getting Anduin versus Sylvanas while there is a lot of potential in the story of the Night Elves craving vengeance and going maybe way too far in that.
/bored good guy bored with being a boring good guy rant over
18/10/2018 18:47Posted by RorickBlizzard has hinted that Sylvanas isn't going anywhere, right? I mean, I wouldn't mind her and the way she's behaving if it were more clearly a struggle for the right to exist.
She won't last forever since they're setting her up to be garrosh'd but they do a poor job of showing the division leading up to it. Next patch goes more into it.
Now the Alliance gets the boring luxury of fighting the bad guys. I want both sides to struggle for survival.
It is a struggle for survival against a relentless foe with no regard for honour, dignity or life. An enemy that will destroy the innocent with unflinching efficiency and defile the world in their wake. It's an enemy actively destroying life and bringing the dead back to fight under their banner.
The Alliance is basically facing Scourge 2.0 and suffers from the narrative not pointing this out. If the horde wins, the alliance dies and a good chunk will rise to serve forever.
there is a lot of potential in the story of the Night Elves craving vengeance and going maybe way too far in that.
Next patch. We'll see.
I hope the next patch does improve things, yeah. As for today, today I'll go and see Frank Turner! Hope you lot have a good weekend as well.
20/10/2018 15:38Posted by RorickI hope the next patch does improve things, yeah. As for today, today I'll go and see Frank Turner! Hope you lot have a good weekend as well.
Have fun! *waves*
Did!
Not quite a dream diary as the parts of the whole were shattered by falling back into sleep twice after waking but tonight graced me with a historical what-if of Chris Farley still being alive to comedically criticise the current US administration. The man's loud theatrics made a perfect counter to the president's bombast.
Secondly, a playthrough of a game with 1998 style graphics all about sneaking through caves and mines populated by ghouls, the protagonist being a pig-man hybrid. Classic crouch to sneak and smashing barrels for items.
Secondly, a playthrough of a game with 1998 style graphics all about sneaking through caves and mines populated by ghouls, the protagonist being a pig-man hybrid. Classic crouch to sneak and smashing barrels for items.
Celebrates DK buffs and then some, and more celebrations.
Looks inside to see arguing on the first page.
Leaves.
Leaves.
24/10/2018 15:34Posted by LytandrahLooks inside to see arguing on the first page.
Leaves.
Nooo!
Let's talk about something cool! Like how cloth classes need more chunky armour.
I want my CHONK.