Dude you impressed me again! You are basically the only smart person who has ability to make proper analysis and connect causes and effects of changes. This change doesn’t do anything.
EU AWC final - 1 warlock game in the final - lost. No warlock game in loser’s bracket final. Winner’s bracket semifinal - warlock won one game because of other team’s mistake. No warlock in lower bracket semifinal.
NA AWC final - there is only one warlock team that beats meele cleaves - Super Frogs. The reason why is that Kubzy figured out the way to heal destruction vs meele cleaves. He is the only R druid that plays Spring Blossoms instead of Stonebark. When you have 415+ ilvl overall you have more than 20% mastery so your Efflorescence permanently increases healing by 20% as it counts as hot. It makes Kubzy dealing +20% healing as warlock is not moving anyway and taking all hits. Without this talent and Frost Mage peels he wouldn’t be able to heal Chanimals through that damage.
I saw Kubzy’s build for the first time when I watched NA final and I was curious why did he go for this talent. Then I watched a video from Cdew. They did math and suddenly only this R Druid’s gimmicky build allows Warlock to live.
Check how Metaphors struggle to keep Maldiva vs all these meele cleaves.
Open google and type “liquipedia world of warcraft”. There you can find all details.
You don’t argue with facts, do you?
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I think you meant dh/dk/ww but dont worry, same meta still…
The only teams that could do something got nerfed.
hf
now some massive ww and uh nerfs plz
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DH DK or WW DK is pretty noob-friendly counter to any Warlock team
Warlock have easier time fighting most of other comps and very good matchup against them (at least pre-nerf)
but what is counter to DH DK or WW DK, that’s unclear
yet, forum experts manage to complain about Warlocks
Apparently unless Warlock is easy kill and if Warlock damage has to be interrupted, then Warlock is beyond broken
balanced state of Warlock is squishy, immobile and you don’t have to kick anything, as it seems from people complaining
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Whisperer/Razzier/Raznys or however should I call you. I remember arguing with you on forums for 2 years but I have to say I never agreed with you as much as here.
P.S.:
Gz on huge progress you made.
Oh and I played against your shaman at the begining of this season and I won so it’s 2:0 xD But tbh it was lucky crit and you played well.
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Must really suck relying on being OP to be able to play a class. Stick to one, git gudder, pogress
I wish they instead made a change that weakens them against melee AND casters. Being zergable by a mongo melee cleave doesn’t change much for a poor mage like me ![:frowning:](https://d1bg94bbsh66ji.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/frowning.png?v=6" ":frowning:")
Coming into BfA WW lost Healing Elixirs, Port heal, Karma heal, FoF stun, 25% mobility nerf, Port cd doubled, incap cd trebled, Karma nerfed 50%…
What kind of ‘massive nerfs’ do you think we need?
Wanna go on with the rest of the classes? You’re delusional if you think only ww suffered such things.
We is overtuned compared to most of the melees
But they don’t If you actually play the game. But who am I to tell you that. Not like I have 6,5 years experience as a monk.
Did you actually play season 1 as windwalker? Or are you just saying whatever u want? Windwalker was one of the most garbage specs in the game the first few months. Until there came some pretty solid changes to PvP talents that made us viable again. Now that destro is the meta or caster cleaves. Ww has a good spot since they are a counter to that exact meta. I will say ww damage is high if you just let me train you but if you are letting me train someone on ur team it’s your fault u lose.
Other than that I would gladly give away 15% of my damage to actually have cc again. Because what ww have now as cc is a joke. 45s paralysis and 60s Stun. Nothing else. Look at mages, rogues, warlocks, priest, paladins, shamans and even dh got more cc. It’s a joke.
Yea, I tried some very crazy comps as Shaman this season, I played DK / Assa, Mage / Rogue… but I feel unless you play with two classes with great survivability then Shaman is unplayable
in my opinion he’s in very bad state
my best healing spell as Shaman is Healing Wave and it heals for 18k
when I play Paladin, my Holy Shock can heal for 60k+ and Holy Light heaks for 40k+
next time screenshot the game 
or record it with some addon (Reflex is good addon imo) 
Thanks. But I am kinda suck, as my primary healer (Shaman) is not very good and most of my friends stopped playing WoW during this season
and I can’t bother staying in LFG for more than 2 minutes
As for nick, my primary posting character is Whisperer, my in-game most liked character is probably Shaman (Raznys) but my nickname I use for everything is Razzier. I don’t mind any. 
Wow who would have guessed that !
Try imagine the side of the others.
Yeah, you played Ret/Shadow/R Shaman - I’ve seen this comp twice this season probably. Your ret overextended with no bubble so what could you do. I played Ele/Boomy/H pala and it was Dalaran arena. I stream most of my games but that day I don’t know why I didn’t turn OBS on.
Yeah, I looked it up too. You’re right.
You played Balance / Ele (You) / Hpal.
Well, LFG people, sometimes you lose games you shouldn’t lose because no voice comm.
But tbh Ret is pretty weak defensively and Sham doesn’t have as good healing output, my comp was pretty garbage.
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Yeah it was good in Legion but not anymore in BfA.
I tried my resto too and it only worked with WW monk comps or Shodow/Destro.
yes and warlocks didnt even had a place in arena outside of DL gimmickys… and?
Grabbing my 10 sec cc… damn wrong expac.
Sure, make your cc castable lol…
atm with how fear is id gladly trade it for port, root removal, 2 rolls and a dragon ball z ability that crosses all the map… oh all baseline.
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10sec cc? are you delusional?
Fear: 6 + 3 + 1½ = 9½.
Coil: 3.
Shadowfury: 3.
Conflagrate: 3 + 1½ = 4½.
Infernal: 1.
All ur cc = 9½ + 3 + 3 + 4½ + 1 = 21 seconds.
And if you tell me you can just kick fear, then go be hardstuck somewhere else, if i had 1 kick every 4 second yes i could, and even then coil into fear into fear into fear infernal into shadowfury into root into root. If you know how to play it’s close to impossible to prevent it.
Then why Blizzard didn’t nerf CC but their armor? It doesn’t make sense. I said it in every post regarding warlock and everytime I get response that I’m defending warlocks. I only wanted to say that for casters and every non physical damage dealing class warlock wasn’t nerfed. It’s nerfed for specs that already counter him so it’s just bad change but it’s Blizzard their changes are sometimes out of this world.