this game have soo many issues yet the only thing u care about is worgen tail
wtf…
yes, you got tails too! tails will make all game problems away!
this game has so many problems because blizzard makes them themself by adding 473648 systems no one asked for so yes more customs. is for most something to look forward to.
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For those saying ‘Worgen don’t have tails’ concept art had tails, as seen in https://twitter.com/WeiWangArt/status/1020692004852850694?s=20
main races got enough, I want a new face and cool hairstyles.
Your tail will have to wait !
No. Bugger off.
So where are they? I’ve seen that concept art since Cata was announced yonks ago, and I still can’t see the tail even now. I see top knots and capes.
instead of giving worgen stupid tails, give them assets that make them closer to the concept art. And give the males straight backs too while you’re at it.
No. Worgen do not have tails. They never did.
Get over it.
You can see the tail in both of those depicted pieces, literally just look right where tails should be.
Also, see the original “Small World of Warcraft” box art, Genn had a tail.
I even remember a dev saying the reason they didn’t have a tail in Vanilla was a result of them not wanting to spend time modeling a tail for another race.
It’s very silly for people to be against customization for races, honestly. You don’t have to have a tail. It’s just like the mess of male Pandaren not even having an option for long tails.
The whole “X race never had Y” is defeated by all the customization options that differ from the original in that case, it’s bad logic in the first place. It also means, no straight back options no differing eye colors and going back to NPC Worgen models from Vanilla.
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I disagree. Some customisation options are very strange. I’ve already talked about the black humans suddenly magically appearing out of thin air, but people called me racist for that - so let me be clear: I think this applies to ALL races. Every last one.
There’s some established story and reason behind everything in the game, and any time you go along and contradict it, things can get weird.
When you add tails to Worgen you would at least have to explain it somehow. How did this happen? The Scythe of Elune is now in the hands of players, so no new Worgen are being created, and all the Worgen created during the fall of Gilneas had no tails - we see that in the game, and retconning that I think is unnecessary.
Worgen just… don’t have tails. I really think it’s that simple. Gnomes are not tall, Mechagnomes have some mechanical part on them, Tauren are always bovine and very large, Druid cat form is always a large panther cat (so no cheetah, no enlarged housecats, no pumas), dwarves are always stout and small, Orcs are always hulking and green until Blizzard explained why that changed with WoD.
I don’t really care what the original reason for it was. They ended up the way they did, and that has to be respected. There’s a reason they fixed the cover art for Small World of Warcraft - adding tails to Worgen is a lorelol. A mistake.
and Female Pandaren didn’t exist originally. So it’s a weird stance to take with all that. Same for Vulpera, Sethrakk… Tons more. Because guess what, lore is ever changing and more and more is revealed as time goes on. Original Worgen lore is very different from Worgen lore Cataclysm and onward.
None of the new customization options were ‘explained by lore’ Why is there suddenly all kinds of makeup that didn’t exist previously for humans? Wasn’t there before. Almost any new customization is the same way. It’s weird to take a hardstance against any new customization because ‘not explained by lore yet’.
Plus, if you really want to go by your word you’d race change/gender swap.
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Err… no, they most definitely did, otherwise how could Chen Stormstout exist? It’s implied that they exist because otherwise he couldn’t have been born. That’s something only females do, you know.
Expanding the universe is fine, anyway. As long as it’s explained.
But Worgen are tricky in this sense. They have been taken over by currently unavailable ancient Druidic magic that tightly controls their true form to the point that even the Night Elves, with their tens of thousands of years of experience, as well as a demigod, can’t undo it.
Just taking worgen and sticking tails on them doesn’t make sense in that context. They have no control over it - nobody does.
I mean it’s make-up though. There was always make-up in Warcraft. All the way back in Warcraft 2 there was make-up and warpaint on elven archers.
I did. I saw nothing on the first picture, and a cape on the second. Not a single instance of a floofy tail in either picture. And if we go by all Blizzard depictions of Worgen in art, no tails, barring one Hearthstone picture. And Hearthstone’s pretty firmly in the non-canon camp of things.
What even is consistency anymore. No, not even the option for a tail for Worgen. It adds nothing, and actively detracts from the established visual design of the race by making them into “bigger vulpera”.
Not that different. And the original worgen also… didn’t have tails.
I see the same thing.
The first one has a sword behind where the tail should be. There is clearly no tail.
The second one has some fur hanging off her buttocks. They are slightly off position for being a tail.
Wasn’t really explained in the lore now was it? Some races actually have no female models or even much talking about women or how children are born, and there’s no lore explicitly stating that’s required for someone to be born.
Only currently, a certain writer could make a new self-insert mary-sue to completely contradict this in a matter of seconds.
Much like prior to Worgen being playable there was no control between going back and forth between forms, yes.
and yet there was no precedent for human woman to have it. Also no precedent for black and white pandaren to have long tails and not small and stubby. Still no lore reasons for them to have tails or anything else, either? Weird, isn’t it? Maybe you should be arguing for the removal of all tails on all races instead?
Then you’re willfully blind and should perhaps have your eyes checked. Again, small world of warcraft and again in some of the books Worgen are mentioned having tails. Oh! And the official concept art has those tails as already pointed out.
It adds nothing is a matter of your opinion. I could go ahead and say adding straight back worgen just adds in taller furred orcs couldn’t I?
Very different, and if you want to go with concept art original they did and I already told you why they didn’t. :3
Maybe if they add glasses for transmog you two can see.
WoW doesn’t address child birth or physical sex. It’s only recently that sexuality was brought into it, although we did have themes around gender roles. Anyway, there was never any evidence that Pandaren females didn’t exist. However, there is ample evidence that Worgen do not have tails.
Yeah, which would be idiotic. Don’t do it! Just look at Star Wars 8 to see how badly that can end.
It’s an article of clothing, essentially. Anybody could theoretically put it on.
I guess if Worgen really wanted to, they could attach a fake tail… Maybe there should be a back slot transmog lol
This is true! I never got the long tail thing. I don’t approve of it.
Some races have been defined in lore to have tails from the beginning, and this is fine.
Worgen were not, and this is also fine.
When art for any race is created, respect the origin of that race. It’s really that simple. And that means Worgen don’t have tails.
Stop building strawmen.
There was no evidence they did, either.
By lack of current models not having tails, or NPCs not having tails? No female ogres, then? Plus there is evidence of it.
Nathanos.
Makeup isn’t clothing. Next?
Soon as you do.
Ok then, so we agree worgen have tails since the concept art has them so. thanks.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
For worgen tails, we have evidence of absence. For pandaren females, we had an absence of evidence. Although technically we did have evidence: Mammal, person exists. Person had to be born. We had indirect evidence.
Of course, the above argument only makes sense if the statement is verifiable - and in this case it is.
Because Worgen are created by the Staff of Elune and through no other means.
All Worgen created this way were made without tails. It doesn’t matter where you look for them.
One thing that could perhaps be done is to use the fact that we’re in the Shadowlands and we’re getting quite close to Elune. Elune is responsible for the Worgen curse, so perhaps she can work some magic. I would find that acceptable.
But just adding it out of thin air? No.
Nathanos what?
It’s something you can take on or off your body to change or enhance your appearance, rather than being a biological part of your body.
Whether you consider it clothing is irrelevant - the analogy holds.
I’m not. I’m simply citing the lore at you.
It doesn’t. Ever. Even the pictures you say show it do not. You’re imagining them.
Then you agree, your own point is moot because the lack of there being any showing of a tail on in-game models does not make for a correct analysis of whether or not it exists or not.
Depends how far back you go with lore and which versions, of which could change tomorrow.
No real evidence of this, actually. :3
Pandaria and all of it’s lore was added out of thin air, tbh. Or mists, if you prefer. Hah.
Mary-sue self insert for love of Sylvanas.
You mean something cosmetic? Yes. Sure isn’t a piece of clothing. Guess what druids have in forms? Tails. Weird, especially given what Worgen originally were. Hmm, almost as if they could have tails quite easily.
Really not, especially when going against lore for the sake of your own arguments.
Wrong, you’re the one imagining they don’t have tails in that art the small world of warcraft original box art, and in the books tail being mentioned for Worgen.
Maybe your tail should be removed, so you stop chasing it in circles?
Here, I’ll give you a good read from the US forums: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/give-worgen-tails/504127
Yay im also quoting!
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No, I do not. For Worgen tails we have evidence of absence. I go on to explain this later.
STOP. SUGGESTING. RANDOM. RETCONS. THANKS.
Also, it’s the Scythe of Elune, not the Staff of Elune - sorry.
There is. They were created in the image of Goldrinn, and Goldrinn explicitly says that they do not gain tails.
The lore that they were created via the Scythe of Elune goes back to vanilla and Shadowfang Keep.
Christie Golden also caused an oopsie, apparently, and added a worgen tail - but she explicitly clears it up by making a completely generalised statement: Worgen do not have tails, just as humans don’t have snouts.
The end.
That’s true, but they explained its absence incredibly well. There were always hints that it existed. There are no hints that worgen have tails - in fact it is explicitly rejected.
So what?
They could have had them, absolutely - but they don’t.
I’m not. You’re just grasping at straws that don’t even exist - ignoring the developers, ignoring the game, ignoring reality in all forms; and all because you want something. You are behaving in an entitled manner, trying to wish things into existence that are not so.
I picked the stub because I don’t think Pandaren should have tails so…
It’s nothing more than a bunch of people repeating that they want it. It still contradicts the lore. I’m 100% with Blizzard on this one.