GM banned a world buff dispeller for 6 months because of his streamer getting dispelled

[Valkia-mirage-raceway]

@Obvioustroll-firemaw

Not entirely. Griefing is when you do it for no benefit and entirely just because you want the target to be pissed off. - that is griefing.

So a lvl 60 killing a lvl 30 should be banned?

[Grimbald-terenas]

fire the GM? He maked a mistake. Are you fired at youre job for making one?
A clap on the wrist he deserves + a few days unpaided training for the job and a (not so nice) talk with his boss for that.
I understand its a big mistake but for ex. i can make bigger errors at my work that can cost decent kind off euros doing so. Do i get fired? Nope just because it happens very rare. Same goos for this GM , maybe it was his first one.

[Valkia-mirage-raceway]

@Grimbald-terenas

ire the GM? He maked a mistake. Are you fired at youre job for making one?

That sure depends on the “mistake” you make on your job. Many single mistakes can get you fired…
And this wasn’t a “mistake” as in “oops, accident”. This was deliberate misuse of powers and as I said before, should not be tolerated.

[Miylee-darksorrow (Miylee)]

@Valkia-mirage-raceway

That sure depends on the “mistake” you make on your job. Many single mistakes can get you fired…
And this wasn’t a “mistake” as in “oops, accident”. This was deliberate misuse of powers and as I said before, should not be tolerated.

Seconded.

I work at a pizza place. A mistake would be dropping a pizza on the floor and then having to remake it. What this GM did is the same as spitting on the pizza before handed it over.

It wasn’t a mistake, it was gross misconduct.

[Moudiyo-tarren-mill (Moudiyo)]

@Kaivax

Hello.

We take reports like this very seriously.

Early this morning, we opened an internal investigation into the matter. While investigating, we overturned the suspension and reached out to the suspended player.

To everyone who brought it to our attention: thank you very much!

That GM finna get some heat boys

[Sinrae-argent-dawn]

@Miylee-darksorrow

If you dispell people just to anger them, you are griefing

By your logic, everything is griefing.

If someone is doing a quest and you kill then, isn’t it griefing?
If someone is on their way to dungeon, and you kill them, isn’t it griefing?
If answer is no for both, then dispelling someone of opposite faction that’s on their way to raid and get more gear to be stronger against you, is not griefing.
It’s becoming popular to do this to prevent guilds from getting “better parses”, because believe it or not, some really care about their speedruns, so stopping their progress as they’re the enemy faction guild, is quite legit on PvP server.

Imagine when AQ40 rolls out and some guild relies on world buffs to get Huhuran down because they don’t have much NR, and then they get dispelled/ganked.

[Miylee-darksorrow (Miylee)]

@Sinrae-argent-dawn

By your logic, everything is griefing.

No, it isn’t. Follow this simple sentence:

If you do something for the sole purpose of causing grief; you are griefing.

@Sinrae-argent-dawn

If answer is no for both, then dispelling someone of opposite faction that’s on their way to raid and get more gear to be stronger against you, is not griefing.

Wrong. Griefing is about intentions rather than actions.

You think the people camping and dispelling in BB for 12-14 hours through Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday are doing that to better their chances at something? No, they’re literally doing it to cause grief; nothing more.

@Sinrae-argent-dawn

It’s becoming popular to do this to prevent guilds from getting “better parses”, because believe it or not, some really care about their speedruns, so stopping their progress as they’re the enemy faction guild, is quite legit on PvP server.

Cute, but wrong. I’m on Bloodfang, the only Horde guild here that competes for speedruns is EpicFabriken. How much griefing do you think they face? None, zilch, zero.

They’re in a cross faction Alliance with the top Alliance speedrunning guilds.

[Húmúz-argent-dawn (Húmúz)]

GM doesn’t look fit to do the job. If he can’t remain impartial, he should be fired.

[Krystalus-noggenfogger]

If youwant to be “SERIOUS” you should do three things:

1. Remove the fanboy of Arlaeus (one of your GM) from your staff. He abused his power.
2. Ban Arlaues permanently. he asked a GM to ban someone just because a priest was dispelling /ganking him. Really? How can you accept that?
3. Remove the suspsension from the priest.

If killing / dispelling a player with world buffs is griefing you should ban nearly everyone. There are many servers full of pvp events during raid time and this mean many and many players lose their world buffs.

And for the Mr streamer:
If you don’t like PVP you can roll on a PVE server. No one forces you to play with WB. I am not a fan of dispellers, but killing / dispelling other players (with or without World Buffs) is part of PVP.

I consider BOOSTING far worse than dispelling others players. The reason players cannot find dungeons are the meme-mages that offer boosting service night and day. It kills the spirit of classic. You are the real griefer.

[Dottie-thunderhorn (Dottie)]

@Miylee-darksorrow

If you do something for the sole purpose of causing grief; you are griefing.

That statement needs a conditional addition. Griefing, like ganking is in the mind of the receiver.

[Hammershark-razorgore]

Blockquote
No, it isn’t. Follow this simple sentence:
If you do something for the sole purpose of causing grief; you are griefing.

You can not grief the oppersite faction! PERIOD!
thousands of bans would have been issued during phase2 if that was the case.
If i feel like corpsecamping someone for a week? I can do so.
If i want to keep a quest mob dead so the oppersite faction can not complete a quest? I can do so.
On a pvp realm you simply can not grief the enemy!

Now if i killed a questmob my own faction need to kill, and prevent them from completeting a quest? I am griefing! And it is a bannable offence griefing YOU OWN FACTION

[Miylee-darksorrow (Miylee)]

@Dottie-thunderhorn

That statement needs a conditional addition. Griefing, like ganking is in the mind of the receiver.

It all varies. I refer to see things as they are and not what I think of them. I personally don’t see why the word “griefing” should be treated as something bad or as a buzz word.

I enjoy a spot of griefing myself; Swapblaster is the only thing that ever kept me on retail.

@Krystalus-noggenfogger

If killing / dispelling a player with world buffs is griefing you should ban nearly everyone.

It is griefing, but that doesn’t mean it should be banned.

@Krystalus-noggenfogger

I consider BOOSTING far worse than dispelling others players. The reason players cannot find dungeons are the meme-mages that offer boosting service night and day. It kills the spirit of classic. You are the real griefer.

That’s the biggest falsehood I’ve ever read. You wouldn’t magically get your low level dungeon groups back if people were unable to boost.

People have already levelled the “normal” way. If boosting weren’t a thing, people would now just buy decent levelling gear from the AH and grind their levels instead of doing the odd dungeon to boost their gear.

@Hammershark-razorgore

You can not grief the oppersite faction! PERIOD!

Yes you can, PERIOD.

@Hammershark-razorgore

thousands of bans would have been issued during phase2 if that was the case.

Griefing isn’t against the rules, unless you’re outright trying to disrupt people of your own faction; such as sabotaging world bosses.

If you commit an act for the sole pupose of causing grief; you are griefing.

Now if you’d all stop repeating the same rubbish and actually read what I’ve said to others; that would be greatly appreciated.

[Krystalus-noggenfogger]

@Miylee-darksorrow

That’s the biggest falsehood I’ve ever read. You wouldn’t magically get your low level dungeon groups back if people were unable to boost.

People have already levelled the “normal” way. If boosting weren’t a thing, people would now just buy decent levelling gear from the AH and grind their levels instead of doing the odd dungeon to boost their gear.

Sure. Stop posting meme stuff in the forum with your retail account. You have never leveled in an efficient way in classic. Why don’t you post with your classic char?

Grinding dungeons is far more efficient than leveling and boosting prevent dungeon groups formation. Unless you want to lose massive amount of time, you don’t spam dungeons for gear during the leveling process.

If you know what to do with a good group, you can get one level per 1h-1,5h in dungeons (even at high level 51-60): there is no way you can do that in the outside world, especially with certain class, pvp and no layering.

[Miylee-darksorrow (Miylee)]

@Krystalus-noggenfogger

Sure. Stop posting meme stuff in the forum with your retail account. You have never leveled in an efficient way in classic. Why don’t you post with your classic char?

Miylee is my posting Avatar, she has been since long before Classic was even a dream for most. She’s been my posting Avatar for far longer than you’ve known of this board’s existance.

I’m not changing that just because some special little idiots think the orange “WoW Classic” tag is important.

@Krystalus-noggenfogger

Grinding dungeons is far more efficient than leveling and boosting prevent dungeon groups formation.

Only if you have an optimal dungeon grinding composition. How many people are still levelling mages?

@Krystalus-noggenfogger

Unless you want to lose massive amount of time, you don’t spam dungeons for gear during the leveling process.

You occasionally did a dungeon inbetween your levelling experience on a fresh server for a bit of gear. Might not mean much to you mages, but us melee players need a decent weapon to kill things with.

@Krystalus-noggenfogger

If you know what to do with a good group, you can get one level per 1h-1,5h in dungeons (even at high level 51-60): there is no way you can do that in the outside world, especially with certain class, pvp and no layering.

And you expect to find a “good group” this late in Classic’s lifespan, and THIS close to the AQ event?

Word of advice: find something worthwhile to cry about, and learn how people interact with the game instead of just assuming that people will play, act and behave as you do.

[Justicesoul-pyrewood-village]

You said that anything that is made at the sole purpose of angering others is bannable.

Few comments later you start a sophistry fight about what’s actually a gesture of fighting and what not.

If you get pissed so much off from being randomly dispelled then you made a mistake rolling on a PvP server.

[Nakius-mandokir]

Blizzard should ban “Arlaeus” for being an exploiter, a semi-bot and for everything negative he has done to this game. Or even better, let’s camp the hell out of every single of his toons.

[Rottenheim-argent-dawn]

@Grimbald-terenas

Are you fired at youre job for making one?

He consciously made a choice to ban the player. He abused power granted to him by his position. If this happens at my job, I will surely be unemployed, so yes, I believe this merits a dismissal.

[Malavon-scarshield-legion]

@Grimbald-terenas

fire the GM? He maked a mistake. Are you fired at youre job for making one?
A clap on the wrist he deserves + a few days unpaided training for the job and a (not so nice) talk with his boss for that.
I understand its a big mistake but for ex. i can make bigger errors at my work that can cost decent kind off euros doing so. Do i get fired? Nope just because it happens very rare. Same goos for this GM , maybe it was his first one

What “mistake” did the GM make?

[Laffey-kirin-tor]

I’m late but it looks like Arlaeus made an apology video. Can we trust him ? I don’t know. But there is one at least.

[Heirbloom-anachronos]

Only way to make sure everyone knows 100% that this isn’t something you should try doing… fire the staff and ban the streamer