And thats how it should be. Leading and organizing is a ton of work, so they deserve to get some compensation for it.
Well i even know a gdkp with 100% split. Obviously iām not alone in the raid and if someone is willing to pay more gold for an item thats fine, others need loot too. I obviously donāt expect getting all the loot first week. However from my cut iām able to get 0,5-1 item per week (unless its deaths choice etc. Ofc). Also i guess you dont have to go for bis gear only (like you can go for mortalis + hit shoes and haste spirit chest instead of bis and its gonna be way cheaper for lock for example). Ofc if someone with a lot of gold joins atleast i get something from it. In sr i carry people for free.
What? How is that rng? Just get more gold? Wtf. If someone has more gold its your fault.
The fact that you are playing in Gehennas along with a huge number of people can be the explanation to that in the sense gdkpās will thrive around a big population.
There are servers out there where gdkpās arenāt a thing but they arenāt as populated and most of the people like those in gehennas would not quit that server just to be in one gdkpās arenāt present, and in a way Iām glad thatās how things are.
I play on a medium pop server and thereās no gdkpās and i hope it stays that way.
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GDKP allows you to increase chances for your item - and if you donāt win item, you win gold, so in the end you still get something. SR can leave you empty handed.
And if you have someone in the raid that bought several goldcaps you have zero chance to get an item if he shares your armor or weapons.
True.
to be fair, I thought that medium or lower pop. servers are swarming bots, never played on any of them too. Iāve been in Gehennas during the time I play wow classic. Is it better to switch to a medium pop servers? can you give some example servers that you know or explain a bit more about the server that you are on? like, how long approx. takes to find a dungeon or raid group, how alive is the chat etc.
I will not advise you to switch servers, i think thatās a decision you have to consider and make on your own.
I think that for those who went and left other servers like low pop servers or medium, or even some of the old fresh servers (that are now dead) to go to the big boys have a mindset that sets them to live within that atmosphere, some people in the community are absolutely clear that unless a server has at least 10K players then itās not worth for them.
I personally donāt believe that a player from Firemaw or Gehennas for example would be ready to switch from that busy environment to go to a server like, for example, Nethergarde Keep which has like 1.5K to 2K on Horde and over 3K on Alliance and itās PvE server.
To me 2k or even 3k players is more than enough to do content and a working economy.
Another one would be Mirage Raceway that has like 7k alliance and 3k Horde.
If you really want to escape that gdkp scene you must understand that you will probably go to a server with much less population than the usual big boys. By the way on the 2 realms i mentioned above thereās no gdkpās going around.
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Noone carries in SR run.
But you can get items for free. But also others.
And thats with a 100% split for 25 items form 5 bosses and extra loot from hc 50/45?
My rogue got death choice pretty much on the 2nd week on the first drop and i never had over 100k gold but rolled a 87.
SR raids are the goat with easy raids.
But if someone wants to hand out 1 item per boss to the gdkp lead thats fine to me AS LONG as they know that the system they have chosen tricks you to be cheap employee to get buyers loot and the gdkp lead money.
People even complain about trials are not getting loot from corrupted LC while you cannot buy items without being in a gdkp before and if you cannot afford you do not get a cut.
How if you already joined the raid and the other players are getting ported?
Ask the gdkp lead for it?
Or do you want me to level 12 alts to do gdkp with to get as rich as ALL OTHERS are?
Can you explain me how?
But the cut will never be enough to buy the high value items the next raid. Its not possible.
Yes. But you also miss the fact that you do not pay for items so you never lose something.
We do have the odd GDKP on mirage but not many
That is true but itās not frequent to be fair and in no way at the same level that shows on the big servers.
Then youāll get tons of gold.
Each loot system has its flaws. Thatās why not all runs are GDKP, some are MS/OS, some are SR. Players have a choice and if you donāt like GDKP nobody is forcing you.
Obviously if i carry peasants who are unable to walk on their own then yes.
No itās with 80/20. But ye mostly cloak runs.
? Why would anyone inv you to gdkp if you canāt buy items?
What kind of logic is that? Obviously get gold before you enter raid?
Not knowing how to make gold is your fault. Youre blaming gdkp system for your own flaws.
Wdym lose? How do you lose if you buy something? If you want an item you buy it if you dont want an item then you donāt buy it. You get item you want or you get gold. Thats win win situation. In sr you enter and theres kinda high chance you get nothing which is lose in my eyes.
Obviously you can get lucky but at the same time there are people who will probably not see death choice whole tier just cos of their luck. In my guild we rolled for items cos at some point council is pointless. And as I said i got 2 items in whole tier just cos i was unlucky (and actually won only one of them, i got second one out of pity). So yes if youre lucky then sr runs might be better for you but i refuse carrying peasants and getting nothing out of it.
The groups I join have +5k gs on avg and most of them prase at least green (which means they kill the boss).
Perhaps you joined the wrong groups if you feel like you carried someone. Or its your attidude (which i personally believe it is) and you think you are some kind of elite player who deserves anything because you did 800dps more then the 2nd warlock and you boosted that warlock which had to do some boss mechanics. I dont know.
The only problem is the amount of SR runs as every leader wants to do GDKP for their gold income.
Yes. Thats why I compared it to corrupted LC because you do not get any items in the frist runes unless the item is trash.
So gdkp is gated.
Spend 100euro for gold
Or farm gold for hours.
I buy it on discord as everyone else.jk
I do not blame gdkp.
In fact i believe if you keep raiding with the same 24people and noone buys gold is a fair system, but it turned out noone does that.
I blame player who believe their gdkp system is any fair or no rng and blah blah while its proven to be the worse system to get loot as a āstandardā raider who raids for loot which is 80% of the raiding playerbase I guess.
But in reality people force you to buy items and if you do not you will not get a cut and sometimes even blacklisted as a leecher.
While on other hand noone forces you to roll on your sr run.
Perhaps its because my testo level is insane and I do not fear ālow riskā but i got
P1 complete warlock best in slot about when 50% IDs were left.
P2 did not play because ulduar25hc is to hard to pug with tradechatgroups, but i had all ulduar10 items i needed abour 2/3
P3 5 items missed for my rogue (and one item is from ulduar) but there are alot of IDs left this phase.
Sure I raid with alot of alts but the chances to end up best in slot at the end of a phase i spretty high in my understanding for at least one alt if you keep on going. Or its just because jesus loves me. I dont know.
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Yes that means i hard carry them.
I definitely dont think that. Aby avg retail player is way better than me on the other hand wotlk players are overall pretty bad.
Well you gotta be a little bit smart if you want to leech. I dont think anyone would force you to buy trash items unless its upgrade.
Its not about fear. I simply value my time. If there is same activity and one gets me something with 100% chance and the other one with way less chance then i choose safe option.
I guess youre lucky then. Personally i havent seen KT weapon dropped once in whole naxx on my main lock.
Blizzard should just let people buy their BiS gear, like on Warmane. Theyād make crazy money and then these sweaty nerds could parse in peace, so they could brag about it in their Tinder bio.
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for bad players maybe
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If only people could leave othersā butts and let them enjoy things on their own instead triggering all the time because someone dares to have different approach and goals in game. Please go seek help.
Its fine, if it would not affect others. If most runs are GDKP due to the profits of RMT, it becomes harder to find groups for non-RMT pugs. Its the same with how custom difficulties for heroics make normal heroic runs impossible at times. GDKPs reduce the activity further, because players join raids naked as buyers, instead of progressing normally via heroic dungeons.
Additionally the GDKPs are the main reason for the unholy amount of bots and the devaluation of gold and farming as a whole.
So while GDKP does not affect players directly, it affects them indirectly by reducing the player pool for regular activities, worsens the bot situation and devalues their own gold/farming.
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Ok, it REDUCES, not completely removes. And I really doubt so many people swipe their cards for their items in game. If they do, they do that because they want rewards while spending as little time in game as possible so if not GDKP they wouldnāt play at all.
People here tend to overreact to everything screaming that X and Y are responsible for their suffering, itās really hard to take them seriously. Most of the time players donāt want solutions - theyāre waiting in their drama threads to find more people agreeing with them while changing absolutely nothing.
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What is your solution to the problems I just mentioned? Form what I understand, your solution is to ignore the problems, if you happen to face any. As far as I can see, solving the issue would require banning RMT or banning GDKPs, since neither would be successful without the other. The other alternative, that Blizzard removes the token and bans all bots for good at the same time would be even better, but that is far too unrealistic.
Iāll let you know in advance: while pointing with your finger at others, you yourself dont want a solution, because its not your problem. You want things to stay as they are, because you have more ups than downs with RMT in the game. Therefore you want others to shut up, so things can stay as they are.
Contrary to what you state, opinions and discussions are not useless. Without peoples voices, we would not even have wow classic to begin with.
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