I just did a 25man ToGC SR>MS>OS run on my alt yesterday (won like 4 items, which is pretty unusual because that’s a total of 6 items that dropped for me this phase in both sizes). And also did a 25man MS>OS VoA on this warlock.
QED
No, just kidding, but someone might interpret it that way.
The very top, small, speedrunning circle? They certainly do it to challenge themselves, and others.
There are also fat GDKP lords, who simply rush so they can do more runs per day and launder more gold obtained from illegal practices and then sell it for real money. More runs = more pay.
But at least back in Classic there was a sizeable group that was speedrunning simply to play as little as possible.
You don’t.
“Enough” is an illusion for people who ran out of Motivation. Perhaps you are capped on your energy, but you didnt do it enough.
I sell Motivation coaching btw
I feel sorry for people who feel the need to buy that. For various reasons.
Motivation coaching 
Flawed argument. Dad guilds normally didn’t require you to always show up with full consumes and other stuff. Or to take part in split raids and the like. The surrounding preparation it takes to make a vanilla raid happen in 60 mins was a LOT longer than what it took to run it in 3 hours. In the end, there rly just wasn’t much of a shortcut - be it a dad guild or a hardcore guild, it was a timeconsuming ecperience
As for WotLK, it’s not even a contest. It’s a lot less time spent on the game playing it “casually” than it is playing it with speedrunning guilds.
I am annoyed with Blizzard just as much as anyone else, but people trying to link the proliferation and out of control state of GDKPs to the WoW token are completely delusional.
You’d have to spend possibly hundreds of Euro to buy a single mid range value item in GDKP run with gold from WoW tokens.
Let’s be honest here all that gold floating around or about 95% of it is just straight up RMT gold bought from Gold sellers on third party websites.
You know it, I know it, Blizzard knows it.
The issue isn’t the token, stop being goofy about it. The issue is Blizzard’s complete unwillingness to address the boting issue. Blizzard is either unwilling or uninterested in a technological solution to the bot problem. A surefire solution would be just to hire a couple of hundred GMs who manually clean up and police the servers.
Which we all know is never going to happen as salaried workers mean less profits.
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Nope. The RNG is still there. You do not know when item will drop, neither how many clntesters would there be in another raid, nor how much gold would any of them have.
You do get gold as a compensation, but unlike systems without auction like EPGP the value of gold in Gold bid is very fluctuating. You can get an item for 10000 gold or 50000 depending on bidders and your effort will be 5 times less worthy. Not mentioning the inflation in GDKPs that is far greater, than on AH.
Obviously it removes rng from loot distribution not drop chance. People who join gdkp are usually the same people on 10 chars. You can also check usual prices of items. On avg they will be cheaper every week. Anyway if you have enough gold you can get whatever you want.
Also gold have no value unless you sell it for irl currency then i see no issue in spending it.
I mean, that’s where this whole thing is going. This sort of thing is completely normal in many mobile gacha and P2W games. From a corporate perspective it is the most attractive monetary scheme, and nowadays players are all over it.
Blizzard does not want to address this issue, because from their point of view it is not an issue at all. They:
- make money from bot subs
- make more money by threatening these bots to not ban them
- make even more money by spawning gold for the bot owners so they can sell it to players
- make more money by also selling these players gold directly as a “safer” alternative (and pretend that it actually is safer by banning the worst-performing bots and their customers)
- make even more money from getting paid by the biggest bot farms to ban their competition (and since that competition already performs worse it’s essentially double income for the same effort - see point above)
- on top of that they also make money from regular player subs, players who also pay more money to have their characters transaferred from dead realms or boosted, so that they can join GDKPs faster and spend all that gold they bought, be full bis and then reroll and do it all over again
There is not a single reason why Blizzard would want to actually remove RMT from the game, so eventually more and more things will be controlled by RMT and things will be more expensive (real-money wise). Players want it, Blizzard wants it, so this is the one case where Blizzard is listening to players and will continue to do so.
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GKDP era isss here to stay.
I mean, I would be honest. When I read trash like this it is clearer and clearer to me: You deserved Wrath you have today
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Yes wrath is trash however gdkp is not the reason. The reason is its 15 years old game that was good 15 years ago and well in last 15 years there had been a progress in the market so its simply not good enough for todays standarts. If anyone expected something else after TBC then idk.
Game has nothing to do with it. It is people who changed in 15 years. Game is the same
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This.
EVen the changhes like hc+++++, stuff in classic like the chronoboon etc were changes that resulted from the attitude of the community.
I will never understand why people treat this game like a second job - or main job for a lot of people. Yes this is a jab at the nolifer guildleaders that treat a trial like a recruit in a top lawfirm.
Craziest thing I ever saw was a team of officers and GM that wanted to do a multiple- step application including a few 1- hour real voice chats on discord where they would go over the rules and expectations, including PTR training a few nights a week. When called out they claimed they could do so because they were one of the top % parsers of the server. At the time it was mid TBC so everything was faceroll anyway so ef those guys.
The classic community is worse than mythic raiders on retail.
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GDKP is the only loot system i’m aware of that allows you to earn loot with activities outside of a raid.
Every other loot system you lose loot to raid loggers.
Being able to farm gold and buy items is a huge plus for me in that regard.
Shame about the botting and RMT, blizzard could have fixed it. They won’t.
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simply because for some, it IS their job.
I calculated it and if I ran 6 gdkp raids a week and sold the 20% cut on the g2g or directly through discord, I could make more than all but the most rich of my peers who work high end corporate jobs. Sadly Russia is sanctioned off and it is complicated to receive payments from EU whales or I might have seriously considered it, seeing as I speak fluent English and all that. It sure would make more then translation and odd Eng teaching I do now.