In raid that might come in handy, but the current m+ pool requires a very high amount of AoE healing, which is where Holy is very very weak right now.
no idea what you mean.
My guy is spitting on his own class. Cant you respec if dp is that good ? Jesus
I donât enjoy playing disc.
I can play it to get invites but I want to play holy.
Disc playstyle isnât my thing.
Holy could really do with some love, especially for m+.
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disc is actually good but i wouldnât invite a random disc because its hard to master imo
but yes buff holy âŚ
But it is !
Because HPriest dont compete with other healer specs. They also compete with Disc (2nd healer spec) and to some degree with SP as well.
Simply because they all bring the same utility. And that is not just a Priest thing. It happens to Shamans (and ALL other specs) as well. Including tanks. Warrior DD popularity has tanked because Prot Warrior is meta now for exampleâŚ
And should Ele been a competitive DPS (not OP like it was, just competitive) instead of being gutted to F tier, then RShaman meta would have droped in favour of DPriest with Elemental.
As for the power of Fortitude and PI. Priests have little utility. But the little utility they have (those 2 raid buffs) are incredibly powerfull.
So powerfull that it justified bringing a priest (DPriest, Holy or SP) in every group for a whole expansion (DF). Even though they had zero mobility and zero CC/kicks. And in some groups, it justifiees bringing a DPriest (who is NOT the most OP healer at the moment) to high keys.
All of the above still dosent mean that HPriests are not in a good spot. But buffing HPriest performance (in HPS) and/or utility wont change the fact that if DPriest or SP can provide something more âspecialâ than HPriest nobody will want Holys anywais.
So IMO Holy needs a rework to make its healing profile less cluncky and difficult to execute (like Elhara explained). But focusing on the âmetaâ is a mistake. Because of this competition with DPriest and SP. You would need to nerf those 2 specs to the ground to make Holy the meta pick.
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More tuning changes and nothing to be seen for holy.
Is this a joke?
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And another week going to pass with no changes?
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Sorry but this is a skill issue. I have played a Priest healer since TBC with several top 10 HPS world log rankings, and does not find healing in either raids or mythic+ lacking.
Iâd like to share my tips how to properly play a Holy Priest.
The strength in AoE healing is as a start by using Archon hero talents, and Halo is the spell you should primarily use in any content.
For raiding you should use the Healing Chorus, Pontifex and Resonant Words talents among others. Prayer of Healing should only be used when you canât cast any other spells, and only to recharge Holy Word: Sanctify- because with the proper talents Prayer of Mending is the primary Sanctify recharger and does most of the job. Sanctify is your primary basic AoE heal spell and should be used off cooldown when needed.
The Resonant Words talent is incredibly strong for all content which increases the next Flash Heal, Heal, Prayer of Healing and Circle of Healing by 40%. The talent works together with Healing Chorus, and the two are together most useful when raiding. The way you play these two talents is that you primarily let the Healing Chorus talent stack to 20 by using Renew on at least 3 targets to quickly build stacks (I usually place on the tanks and myself), and use Renew to keep the stacking buff active until itâs time to use Circle of Healing.
When itâs time to AoE heal you start with Halo. Then one Holy Word: Sanctify to gain the Resonant Words talent buff and immediately after you use Circle of Healing, preferably with 20 Healing Chorus stacks for maximum healing.
As mentioned before, always use Prayer of Mending off cooldown to recharge Sanctify. Prayer of Healing very rarely when you canât cast something else.
Use Holy Word: Serenity once on a low health ally, then Flash Heal on a different injured target for Resonant Words talent buff for 40% more Flash Heal healing.
Use Salvation and Divine Hymn when either the raid leader calls for it, or when the raid takes major damage.
Hope this helps!
Youâre straight up trolling.
Iâm not the one hiding behind a low level Classic alt, it takes away your credability.
I tried to help you and instead is met by the worst reply possible.
You say this while saying:
Lmao.
Archon is ABSOLUTELY AWFUL in m+.
We have NO aoe healing in m+. The only way you have to heal people is triaging with ST heals. Halo doesnât heal anywhere close to enough to do something about the aoe damage, even with archon.
Halo at ilvl 630 heals for 126k.
Anubikkajâs dark orb on a +10, which deals damage based on the distance it travels, is in the millions.
Shadow decay on +10 deals roughly 7 million unmitigated damage in aoe over 5 seconds. On a +12 itâs over 9 million.
You get a dark orb thatâs followed very shortly by shadow decay during the fight. That part of the fight is absolutely insane trying to heal as a holy priest because of how much aoe damage is happening and how fast itâs happening, when we canât heal in aoe.
Doing that fight as a holy priest:
And as a disc priest:
And this is just laughable:
Healing logs are a meme.
Iâd say that Holy Priest has design and balance issues like any other class spec in the game.
Itâs not like Blizzard have reached design utopia with this iteration of Holy Priest.
With that in mind the spec does feel a bit underserved when you look at the low amount of balance changes it has received since The War Within has launched, as well as the few design changes it received over the course of the Beta testing.
At the end of the day it does feel like a spec thatâs a bit forgotten by the developers, because it appears so overlooked in terms of changes and adjustments.
Thatâs likely because of priorities and Blizzard focusing their efforts on overhauling Paladin talent trees and Mythic+ modifiers. So Holy Priest (and certain other specs) find themselves very low on the totem pole of developer attention.
Saying itâs a skill issue that the spec is overlooked by the developers when it is overlooked by the developers is a bit silly, regardless of how skilled a player one might be.
Youâre not even posting from a maxlevel character yourself, you hypocrite.
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Nice 351 rating there.
What you wrote was utter drivel. The OP is very VERY clearly talking about M+, and you manage to weave in trite rubbish like âpress divine hymn when the raid leader calls for it!â
Jesus Christ.
Iâm not disputing youâre probably a good healer, but advice needs to be given in context of the problem statement.
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Are we playing the same game? As a priest you literally have the strongest burst AoE heal in the game with Premonition of Piety + Guardian spirit combo. You can do 7 milion AoE heal with a single target heal.
You have Binding heals, so you almost never have to heal yourself. You have the talent that heals the last target you healed whenever you heal someone else. I think holy priest is perfectly fine in M+
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???
Have you tried playing disc?
Holy is weak as hell.
Disc priest heals more than that with low CDs in aoe. Just sending a mindbender + mind blast + sw:d + penance youâll heal roughly 18 million spread over 5 targets without any further button presses. Youâll be spamming void blast in addition to that in normal circumstances though, so the healing during those CDs is far higher.
Itâs also lower CD than holy priests piety combo, which requires the right premonition to be done. The highest CD for the disc priest to do that is mindbender at 1 min cd, which gets reduced by you just playing your normal rotation.
You also need to be full hp for piety to work as an aoe heal, youâre not going to be full hp during something like the dark orb + shadow decay combo. Its healing will fall off because youâre not at full hp to overheal yourself.
Then in addition to that, disc priest has 2x external damage reductions and an aoe damage reduction.
The only thing holy has got going for it is that it has strong ST healing. Thatâs the only thing it has. The aoe healing is pretty much nonexistent. It has no damage reduction externals. The damage holy does is lower than disc.
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This is the major issue here imo. In those situations where Piety would be amazing its really hard to get full value because those are usually pulsing AoE situations which means it loses a ton of value while being a massive manadrain.
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Yes I did try disc priest and let ne tell you. Disc priest single target heal is absolute dog****. Disc has good AoE but thats it. Disc is basicly unusable i PUGs where noone uses defensives. I find holy to be way better to play in pugs than disc.
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