I don’t want to drop engineering for the 3rd time to pick up another proficiency.
I think the solution is simple remove drums of battle until SW and make it a raid drop. This way you wont get 25 LW’s in a raid for this buff.
I sometimes think the interns are working on the game design lately.
There are only 2 viable solutions for this issue to make it less tedious
- Make old drumms raid wide buff, so we need only like 3-5 LWers for raid
- Add a debuff that will prevent from using drumms for X minutes.
Every other change is pointless and wasting dev time.
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This might be the most tone-deaf blue response I’ve seen here and that’s saying something.
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Yeah considering we don’t get much blues here in EU servers.
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This is not fixing anything, but only making it more pain in the a$$ to master. Its already an super melee unfreindly expansion and now you do this? Thats a BIG minus blizzard.
Buttom line, you still need 4-5 LW in your party, I though you wanted to fix that?
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So now more stuff is coming out. Blizzard cancelleed 30-90-180 day game time purchased in their store for a flat 60 days for 30 usd/eur(?). (Not the subscription for 13eur most of us use, thank Elune)
Combined with this abomination of drum rework that will cause massive demand for leather(literally every raider will craft drums for every raid), this means every bot will have to buy 30 usd game time (with their retail token dollars), 60 usd character boost and go ahead to level skinning and farm the clefthooves (probably in heavily layered outland, so they don’t compete with other bots)
And I bet ban waves will be about 70 days apart.
There is no curse in the languages of orcs, trolls or humans for this betrayal. /tar blizz /spit
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It’s weird.
Are you guys only concerned about the fact that it make LW mandatory and not the fact that having drum effect the whole encounter is really OP ?
So not only did they NOT make LW feel mandatory… they added additional hassle with having to stack up every 30 secs for drums…
Is it like some “first iteration” that someone found written on a piece of paper in the trash bin and took it out and thought “wow, thats a good idea” ?
Im still looking at the post and hoping its an early aprils fools
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Yes.
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“We are going to make it more expensive and more annoying to use the drums”
Interesting train of thought. Do you expect players to simply give up?
Makes me wonder if you have any clue at all who your customers are.
Players will go to great lengths to improve their character’s performance.
And I’m not just talking hardcore raiders, speedrunners and the like. All the third party web sites will rank LW as the nr 1 profession, which will make even the casualest casuals go LW.
If you are truly of the opinion that LW should not feel mandatory (like you said at Blizzconline), then I would advise to have another look at how you will bring this live. There are some great ideas out there listed by community members.
Would be pretty boring to have this lack of diversity and such a waste of all those other fantastic professions. Which will only be touched by alt characters that are not raiding.
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Oh i see.
So, having the content difficulty affected like WB did in Classic (ofc won’t be as worse) isn’t an issue ? 
Guys wtf? Nobody is forcing you to have drums, like nobody was forcing you to have engi-sap-meta thing. These cries “omg, I must have LW again, what should I do?” are ridiculous, because hey, I tell you something: pick profession, which you want. Problem solved. Hey, has anybody problem with it? Send him to hell. Because if somebody tells you that not having LW and drums is selfish and not useful for raiding, then these are bull***s, because you can raid without drums as easily as you can raid in classic without wbuffs. These theorycrafters and min-maxers try to persuade you that drums are mandatory, because in their eyes, everything what is not BiS is loss of time and resources. Everything is because of just parses, logs and be “the top guild of your faction, of the server, of the region, of the world…” Really does it matter? You want to play TBC because of parses and logs and not because of the TBC itself?
Like… I’m not defending how Blizz made drums in beta. It sucks, I agree. But hey… it’s beta, not full complete game. There is still room to change it and add like debuff or anything. However, remember that feeling that you MUST have drums in raid or you will su.ck, is ridiculous from principle.
I agree, but we saw the result in Classic.
At first it was : “only min/maxer will stack WB don’t worry” but now, every weekly reset there is a WorldBuff lagfest because nearly everyone stack them for various reasons (raidlog, want to be useful in raid, don’t want to disapoint the others, guild require them…)
The “play like you want to” doesn’t work. It’s like the boost : humans will choose the fastest & easiest path if it’s possible.
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You’ve made Leatherworking worse… so it becomes more frustratiing for each player.
You have not, I repeat not fixed the issue.
I know you’re going through these comments and thinking ‘no, it’s the players who are out of touch’. It’s not the players.
Blizzard set expectations that Leatherworking would receive significant changes to ensure it was NOT mandatory for raiders.
You have not accomplished that.
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No one is forcing you to have a car when you live 30km from your workplace. You could just get up at 4 in the morning every day, and ride the bicycle.
Can we stop using this non-argument already? Thanks.
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Well, if that is truth then explain me, why (in Classic): a) we don’t see only the best race/class combinations, like orc rogues for PvE, b) hunters don’t struggle with raidspots (though according min-maxers only 1-2 are needed for tranq shot), c) where are all engi-sap-metagamers and guilds, which demands this after their members (this was popular only during Viscidus encounter).
Wbuffs is rather thing you want than youvwould realky need them. It may ease your game rapidly,but you don’t actually need it, if you raid because of loot and materials. But meh, you need it if you want to have the best parses or during speedrunning. But - having best parses and speedrunning is not actually mandatory or something you couldn’t miss. It’s alternative approach how to play the game for metagamers and pserver players.
Thank you (Blizzard) for driving me a little more away from TBCC. Oh and that doesn’t mean that I’m going to SL, no no no, I’ll be playing other games and will renew my sub ONLY if you (Blizzard) manage not to mess up Classic Era with unwanted stuff to make it more similar to Refail.
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Haha, this comparison, totally senseless. Yeah, you have to buy only the best and fastest car, because you’ll be there in 10 mins instead of 20,and you can get up 10 mins later, because you know - the effectiveness rules.
/facepalm
Because there is no Race change service, race choice is a long term choice while picking WB is a short term and “easy” choice that will last only in Vanilla + it depend on players objectives (PvE/PvP or something else)
If they introduce Race change (i hope they won’t) you’ll clearly see more “Meta races” in game.
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