HC Server Should Have Achievements Like the Addon

As the title says, even copy them one for one.

The idea is an evergreen server, then the achievements form a good part of go agane.

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No. It shouldn’t.

  1. It is Classic, so no achievements unless they allow transfers to WotLK that is, like they did with SoM1.

  2. HC addon or SFF HC achievement are poorly tested and for some classes right even impossible to get. I do not find this addon trustworthy either, since it has been compromised by hackers allowing them to erase death log and remove resdurection lockdown.

  3. It is for Blizzard to deside what final rules set would be on official HC realm and HC addon is a voluntary self imposed playstyle and so are it’s “achievements” (that again can be hacked and fake). Do not impose them on everyone else.

It’s classic HARDCORE first of all and achievements are a big part of it. Especially in terms of replayability.
And we are not talking about bringing achievements into the game like they are in retail or WotLK. Just hardcore related achievements. Which, for example, they could borrow the design from the addon and make them viewable in a separate tab, in the character inspect window.
And to your “hacked and fake” argument, if Blizzard makes the achievements, I doubt you will be able to do that. Otherwise we would see people in retail running around with current mythic raidboss kills, curve or whatever, which to my knowledge is not the case. Also if we gonna worry about that we might as well disable trading and the mailbox etc since they can all be used to “cheat” the hardcore challenge.

If an addon can do it, then for blizzard, as a triple A+ developer, it will be a walk in the park.

Also attach titles to those achievements. Think of someone making it to 60 without any gear on and gaining the title “The Nudist” or something idk.

It only adds to the game and doesn’t take anything away. But I doubt if they are gonna add it now with the ptr out and all… Guess people will have to rely on the addon which like you said is prone to exploits.

One can only hope blizzard adds this as it will be a huge addition to the hardcore experience. Also like mentioned above, it adds a lot of replayability which for blizzard would mean more money!

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It should be because the achievements are a huge part of the evergreen and challenges of the HC runs, you do a naked run for example because of the achievement it nets.

Yes it should. You can opt-out if you don’t wanna do them. Just make them HC realm only stuff.

I don’t think it’s fair to compare them to Wotlk achievements. They are more like Feats of Strength in the sense that if you fail them they are gone forever. Wotlk achievements was content they added primarily for people to persue on max level to not get bored. This is something completely different.

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So generally a WotLK achievements tab :slightly_smiling_face:

Curves are sold left and right. Call it RMT, cheating or intentional design flaw as long as there will be some “prestige” among community or reward associated with it, there will be cheaters who will offer a way to skip the effort.

It could be done with assistance of other player not in your party healing you all the time.

example Asmongold fans carrying his low level warrior on top of troll pyramid city in Hinterlands. He didn't needed to watch out for any elite mobs at all and could even last hit em for rewards.

This is true dilemma of legitimacy of official achievements: did player earned them fair or not. And as long as achievements from HC addon concerned most of them didn’t met any cheesing proof testing.

It takes away the freedom from new players to play WoW Classic with 1 life, making only the most limited and ill composed challenge achievement rules the only true ones to count. All of them are hardcore since your character has only 1 life. The other rulesets introduced by addon should remain self imposed like they are now.

Comparing them to Feats of strength (FoS) is also wrong. FoS are rare or unique achievements that are mostly unavailable due limited availability on life realms (Scarab Lord, WoW Anniversary 2008, Argent Dawn reputation on retail). There are some FoS that require you to make extra effort like Herald of Titans. However you were not limited to one mistake only after that you should had deleted your character to try earning them again. In that sense addon “achievements” are just ways to cripple your character progression with every way possible forcing you to abandon character that hasn’t even died making all other of your progression void. Or are you even advocating for account wide achievements in classic?

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I created a 60 that doesn’t actually exist with all achievements and got it validated. Any questions? The HC addon is a joke because addon files can’t be made in a way that prohibits tampering.

Most of the achievements are impossible if you can’t kite anyway, huge deal playing a specific class.

Absolutely not in regards to account wide achievements. But I think you are looking at them a bit different than I am. They are not ment to be “completionism” achievements. It’s more about extra leveling challenges community can gather around. I have never heard of anyone abandoning a character because of failing one of them, unless that achievement was their entire goal, but that is quite uncommon I think. I played a duo with my gf, and we decided to kill Vagash on a bit lower level than we would otherwise just to get the fancy badge. It’s not like it was planned from the beginning, but it rewards people who takes a bit more risk with some prestige, that’s all.

With that said, I absolutely do not think the achievements is something Blizzard should put development time into at this stage.

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Did this really happen.

I personally find HC achievements something mandatory for the upcoming official servers. As a hardcore player, the driving force that pushes me to go kill that mob is the nice cool looking achievement Im gonna have. It’s really cool knowing that you have done this as every single task in hardcore is already too difficult. Achievements should be definetely in HC in a way they are in the addon now

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We will have Soul of Iron style buffs on live servers.

That is nothing like the add on achievements that created genuine evergreen content.

Different Buffs for doing different kills is not like achievement? I fail to see this.
Is it because Soul of Iron Buffs are personal only, or is it simply not enough of them?
If last, ask for more of different buffs.

Are you talk a buff for say, getting to 60 whilst only using Arcane? As an example.

Yea but that’a just a buff indicating u have never died and you also have to go to UC or IF (not sure) to get it. Id personally want to see much more than that. We are talking about hardcore classic.

I know not, because I gave up SoM very soon. You can look up which ones for sure. But at least one for Rag kills.
I also guees they will be automatic on create, as HC mode is not choice on HC server.
If you want more, ingame suggestion on PTR would be way to do - or maybe better on Twutter. I cannot help :wink:

HC servers will get Soul of Iron buffs when live.

I don’t think you actually know what these are, these are like feats of strength, not even as actively on display as the String of Ears, but theyre a set of goals that really added flavour to HC, you got such a unique bunch of events because of it.

We had one guys whos mission was to RP walk all the way to 60. He died in his 50s because he couldnt get away and refused to break character, that was brilliant.

I told you I knew not much of them. But on active display, they so are. I saw them in SoM.

I really LOVE those self imposed challenges. But no way I think we could have Ach for every one of them. But if we could I would be happy - condition they also add IronMan achs. I’m not against individual achievements being added to HC aerver.

I don’t have enough experience to talk about how LEGENDARY i am but as far as i’ve seen from the videos is that people find a cheesy way to kill certain mobs that they actually cannot solo if the method is fixed. Like that Warrior Level 40 quest you kill with 300 thrown weapon and call that hardcore? I guess we just agree to disagree on certain terms. Cheesy kills are not Hardcore for me. But i respect the way SSF players play.