If Epic Paladin is stronger than Epic DK then there’s little reason to assume Average DK is stronger than Average Paladin.
…Are you using RPG terms at me now?
Also Arthas is a special case because he never died and confronted Uther very soon after picking up Frostmourne.
And because they are Arthas and Uther. Top lore characters don’t play by the rules.
No, I’m using the duel of the strongest Paladin in his 60s against the strongest DK in his prime, with the Paladin being stronger as proof that your headcanon has little base in lore.
Uther and Arthas are not EVERY Paladin and DK, but an example of lore characters sure beats supposition.
If anything Arthas should be even stronger because there’s no magic needed to keep him alive. It all goes into his power.
An example of top lore characters going at it is better than an opinion, though.
The first paladin ever beats a fresh DK who hasn’t found his way around things yet?
Except he didn’t because, you know, Uther died.
We were talking about raw physical strength, not combat prowess.
And the only reason Arthas didn’t die was that his sword was a oneshot hack and Ner’zhul moved it after Uther disarmed him.
A 60 year old man is stronger physically than the 30 year old dude who champions the Lich King and feels no physical exhaustion.
Yeah I’d say that’s pretty relevant to the " DK >>> every other class in raw strength " narrative.
If you are going purely off physical strength here we can assume hunters are the strongest class then, because Huln headbutted infernals to pieces. Let’s see Uther do that.
Single examples are not good evidence.
As opposed to what? Guesswork?
DKs are stronger because you say so?
No, I say gnome warlocks are.
Allegedly. Also something something Ancient blessings.
As opposed to Light magic and DK magic?
That is not how evidence works. Grom killed Mannoroth, is that evidence warriors in general are more powerful than pitlords? Keeping in mind both are exceptional examples.
There are so many factors that can influence single events.
No Druid can come close to the power that Malorne or whatever stag blessed Huln can get to.
Also, you know. It’s a story. It’s most likely hyperbole.
And that matters why? Isn’t this a case-to-case basis? Why do you assume that every paladin, ever, is buff? If Uther spent his time powerlifting and empowering himself with the Light, does that mean that a healer-focused paladin is also going to be smashing that flex?
I think it’s an odd claim to make. X character is strong, everything that remotely appears similar to X must also be.
What about a woman? Must she also be rocking that muscle to qualify as a paladin?
Sure is, which is why the idea that DKs are stronger than other classes is silly.
Source on that? Because players get all kinds of blessings all the time.
But it’s an example. It’s better than guesswork.
Yeah, the idea that physical strength + magical power trumps physical strength alone is silly!
Can paladins buff themselves up with the Light to the same level of strength? Not impossible. But they lack the same passive benefit of body strength + passive animating magical power.
Source on Wild Gods being stronger than the Class that gets a fraction of their power?
What?
Where’d you get the idea that a DK has physical strength equal to that of a Warrior?
There is no evidence that they wouldn’t have.
Huln isn’t a wild god.
Also sorry about post spam I am trying to keep up with the constant replies and edits quickly become messy.
Paladin without magic is a strong dude.
DK without magic is a corpse.
Unless you have proof Unholy Strength >>> Holy Strength you’re just assuming things.
Sure there is, Warriors don’t have any magic and yet they keep up with DKs.
Which makes your equation
Warrior STR = DK STR + DK magic
The being that blessed him was tho