Headcanon 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Akamito-argent-dawn (Akamito)]

what realm of magic is it when my uncle makes a coin appear from behind my ear?

[Moridunum-argent-dawn (Moridunum)]

They only thing they should retcon about magic s how its used.

At the moment there is almost no difference between the many sorts of magic; except the source where you draw it from.

Put limits on magic(for example with only Arcane being able to teleport; advancing your aging, while Light is unable to make portals or teleport around, but increases your life)

[anon64609363]

Dad Joke Magic.

[Falionna-argent-dawn]

In my opinion the seperation and shadow of death was bad. It made more sense when they where connected. Moreso when you look at the necromancers and the wrath book on necromancy. Making necromancy a rather diverse field, like the other schools.

(also ruining the MTG five mana color thing :s )

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

@Falionna-argent-dawn

In my opinion the seperation of shadow of death was bad. It made more sense when they where connected.

At the cost of making other classes themes into narrative dumpster fires. Druids and their age old balance between life and death got butchered and made no sense at all if shadow and death were the same thing, because then you have to address why druids aren’t using Shadow magic, and if Light is also the polar opposite of Shadow/Death, why aren’t they using the Holy Light on top of their nature magic?

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Moreso when you look at the necromancers and the wrath book on necromancy.

The Wrath book claimed that Shadow = Necromancer = Arcane magic which made it even worse and even more homogenized than it already was.

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Making necromancy a rather diverse field, like the other schools.

It still is. Now death magic has necromancy, blood magic, dark shamanism and drust variant of druidism under it, because they’re all defined as being twisted and corrupted reflections of life. None of those have any thematic relevance to Shadow/Void/Old God/Twilight stuff with their cosmic horror theme.

@Falionna-argent-dawn

(also ruining the MTG five mana color thing :s )

MTG five mana color thing’s not relevant to WoW thankfully

[Akamito-argent-dawn (Akamito)]

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

MTG five mana color thing’s not relevant to WoW thankfully

I’m exclusively a blue magic player and am using this to make you skip your next post so I can post again.

[Akamito-argent-dawn (Akamito)]

I use my next blue magic to make you upvote this post. I’m tapped out so can’t take any more actions.

[Croecell-argent-dawn (Croecell)]

@Akamito-argent-dawn

I’m exclusively a blue magic player and am using this to make you skip your next post so I can post again.

[Falionna-argent-dawn]

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

At the cost of making other classes themes into narrative dumpster fires. Druids and their age old balance between life and death got butchered and made no sense at all if shadow and death were the same thing, because then you have to address why druids aren’t using Shadow magic, and if Light is also the polar opposite of Shadow/Death, why aren’t they using the Holy Light on top of their nature magic?

There are druids of the nightmare that use shadow magic ;). And druids wouldn’t be using the light because of the different source, one is faith, the other is nature. However there is overlap currently. With druids using priestly powers of Elune.

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

The Wrath book claimed that Shadow = Necromancer = Arcane magic which made it even worse and even more homogenized than it already was.

I’ll agree with this.

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

It still is. Now death magic has necromancy, blood magic, dark shamanism and drust variant of druidism under it, because they’re all defined as being twisted and corrupted reflections of life. None of those have any thematic relevance to Shadow/Void/Old God/Twilight stuff with their cosmic horror theme.

blood magic isn’t death magic, at least there isn’t confirmation of such, we have shamans (bloodlust/bleeding hallow), mages (mogu) and warlocks (the pet heal and manatap) use it. The drust goes against the opposites and going by shadowlands and PC kul tiran druids, it’s closer to druisim?

The psionic power of the old ones have currently become the dominant face of the shadow magic, disregarding previous shadowmages. I’m happy to say it’s a trait of shadow priests and the old gods (along with the insanity part, a weird retcon it was to make it a trait of shadowmagic and not the old ones whispering), but it shouldn’t be the main feature of all shadow magic, as for example subtle rogues aren’t eldritch, nor the guy tossing shadowbolts and flinging curses.

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

MTG five mana color thing’s not relevant to WoW thankfully

Then why do we have Voss?

To go with the first one of opposites, it’s not impossible with five, it’s just that you get two. Light has death and fel as opposites, nature has death and arcane.

Edit: would it’d be more otherworldly if eldritch didn’t fit a neat school catalog no?

[Aerilen-argent-dawn (Aerilen)]

The Scryers have become the default blood elf administration on Outland, loosely overseeing Silvermoon’s - and to an extent - the Horde’s interests on the crumbling planet. This is one of the reasons why they have stuck around, the other being that Voren’thal is too elderly to really survive the travel from Outland to Silvermoon.

[Telaryn-argent-dawn (Telaryn)]

@Falionna-argent-dawn

There are druids of the nightmare that use shadow magic ;). And druids wouldn’t be using the light because of the different source, one is faith, the other is nature. However there is overlap currently. With druids using priestly powers of Elune.

Blizzcon 2018 Interview: Story and Systems | The Lost Codex

The Emerald Nightmare’s a realm of Death and Decay, not shadow =)

@Falionna-argent-dawn

blood magic isn’t death magic, at least there isn’t confirmation of such, we have shamans (bloodlust/bleeding hallow), mages (mogu) and warlocks (the pet heal and manatap) use it. The drust goes against the opposites and going by shadowlands and PC kul tiran druids, it’s closer to druisim?

Muffinus

Also blood magic is used to practice necromancy loads in Nazmir, and as Jeremy Feasel’s tweet tells us, blood magic falls on the spectrum opposite of life magics. Since BFA confirms for us that it’s a form of death magic, death magics are therefore “tortured life” which fits the description with all the other forms of death magic like drust and dark shamanism.

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Then why do we have Voss?

Doesn’t canonise MTG lore in WoW.

@Falionna-argent-dawn

To go with the first one of opposites, it’s not impossible with five, it’s just that you get two. Light has death and fel as opposites, nature has death and arcane.

And with the over arching theme of balance between these forces since time immemorial, asymmetrical opposites does not balance make, nor have those opposites you propose have ever been thematically linked in the way you make them out to be. MTG lore does not apply here.

[Falionna-argent-dawn]

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

The Emerald Nightmare’s a realm of Death and Decay, not shadow =)

Made by a old god inside the dream, soooo…

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

Also blood magic is used to practice necromancy loads in Nazmir, and as Jeremy Feasel’s tweet tells us, blood magic falls on the spectrum opposite of life magics. Since BFA confirms for us that it’s a form of death magic, death magics are therefore “tortured life” which fits the description with all the other forms of death magic like drust and dark shamanism.

Dark shamanism is explicitly the usage of force upon elementals, not necromancy. And normal goodloving shamans use bloodlust. And BfA gave us G’huun, a old god of blood. And before we had hakkar, the wild god of blood.

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

Doesn’t canonise MTG lore in WoW.

It was meant as a joke. Sorry. And no I wouldn’t want to canonize a different franchise into wow. that’d be like asking the blue moon to be death star 1.

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

And with the over arching theme of balance between these forces since time immemorial, asymmetrical opposites does not balance make, nor have those opposites you propose have ever been thematically linked in the way you make them out to be. MTG lore does not apply here.

In wrath we had the opposite of light and death with paladins and death knights. And we had light being a counter to demons in older lore. I’m sorry if I come across as wanting to needlessly bring mtg lore here, it was more of a similarity.

However you haven’t explained the non cuthulu shadowcasters out there, like the pc subtle rogue and shadowbolt warlocks. Or how dreadlords now became masters of three schools of magic, chaos, death and shadow.

Edit: to go into the theme of twisting life being necromancy in it’s core. Wouldn’t mind flaying be that? Twisting the brain or the soul of something?

[Thyasa-argent-dawn (Thyasa)]

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Or how dreadlords now became masters of three schools of magic, chaos, death and shadow.

I mean Humans, elves, trolls and basically any other playable race have individuals who have mastered one of those “schools of magic”. It’s not that strange for Dreadlords to have pursued more than one force of magic.

Edit: same for the Old Gods and using death magic, tbh.

[Girana-argent-dawn]

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Dark shamanism is explicitly the usage of force upon elementals, not necromancy. And normal goodloving shamans use bloodlust. And BfA gave us G’huun, a old god of blood. And before we had hakkar, the wild god of blood.

Dark Shamanism is the explicitly usage of Decay to force the elements into servitude; the Warsong Clan in the AU also used Void to do the same thing.

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Made by a old god inside the dream, soooo…

That doesn’t change what it is; a realm of decay and death, as stated by Blizzard itself.

[Stonetower-argent-dawn]

in response, I cast Nexus of Fate.

taking my next turn, I cast Nexus of Fate.
taking my next turn, I cast Nexus of Fate.
taking my next turn, I cast

[Falionna-argent-dawn]

@Thyasa-argent-dawn

I mean Humans, elves, trolls and basically any other playable race have individuals who have mastered one of those “schools of magic”. It’s not that strange for Dreadlords to have pursued more than one force of magic.

Sure, one or two. But three? Isn’t that Medan?

@Girana-argent-dawn

Dark Shamanism is the explicitly usage of Decay to force the elements into servitude; the Warsong Clan in the AU also used Void to do the same thing.

And chronicle put decay into it’s own box.

@Girana-argent-dawn

That doesn’t change what it is; a realm of decay and death, as stated by Blizzard itself.

And the raid had lots of old god and shadowy things. And along with the novel made it a realm of fear and corruption?

[Akamito-argent-dawn (Akamito)]

[Moburon-argent-dawn (Moburon)]

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

It still is. Now death magic has necromancy, blood magic, dark shamanism and drust variant of druidism under it, because they’re all defined as being twisted and corrupted reflections of life. None of those have any thematic relevance to Shadow/Void/Old God/Twilight stuff with their cosmic horror theme.

@Telaryn-argent-dawn

The Emerald Nightmare’s a realm of Death and Decay, not shadow =)

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Made by a old god inside the dream, soooo…

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Dark shamanism is explicitly the usage of force upon elementals, not necromancy. And normal goodloving shamans use bloodlust. And BfA gave us G’huun, a old god of blood. And before we had hakkar, the wild god of blood.

tfw all of these statements are true

WoW lore LULW

[Thyasa-argent-dawn (Thyasa)]

@Falionna-argent-dawn

Sure, one or two. But three? Isn’t that Medan?

But the Dreadlords are not one individual. Surly one can study Fel magics and another can have an interest in death magic?