Raids do not get harder because of the addons themselves but based on how easily the mythic raiders clear everything.
Then they eventually nerf the rest based on how much the rest of us manage to keep up
I remain highly skeptical that addons don’t have any part to play in that
Depends on the addon.
Stuff like Hekili are training wheels. They help someone who cannot balance on the bike to cycle. Training wheels will not give any advantage to a pro cyclist.
It was stuff like those that made it so we cannot have addons for friendly health bars in instances that were addons that played the game for people and so they got disabled.
There was that addon that drew connecting lines between custom health bars to guide people to find their constellation pair in that Star dude mythic fight in Nighthold
I think there are unfair comparisons made when someone says x spec can do with 2-3 buttons. That was the point i made.
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Sorry, did not wanted to respond to you Adalon.
This tends to be vert opinon based realisticslly though, as u see people calling different classes easiest snd hardest choices
This game and all classes are basically muscle memory tests.
Some classes can be really hard for altaholics granted, but most players cannot do a rotation while avoiding mechanics simultaniously.
Because if they’re top raiders they’ve improved enough to do things on their own without the aid of a rotation helper thus no longer need it.
You don’t have to be anywhere near a top rader to do better.
I tried doing a dungeon earlier on my priest strictly following hekili, the result was like 60k dps less than the max I’ve pulled and like 40k less than what I usually pull.
When you follow hekili strict you are pressing your cooldown just at the moment the pack dies and you have to move to the next pack for 10 seconds. I am sure everyone who is using it uses it as a guidance and not strict.
People should be less binary about those things.
Never said that. Was merely answering a question on point. Not sure where your reply came from though as it’s off topic to what Annaconda and I wrote.
They usually go off on the specs that have easier to perform rotations. Currently the two I can think of is Frost mage and Fury warrior.
There are of course nuances and small things to look out for with these specs too, but even while doing the basics you should achieve decent results on them.
People always go for the extremes when they are making comparisons. Depending on the content played most classes should do fine with the aforementioned few buttons in casual content (low keys and lfr/normal raiding).
Imagine calling rotations complex when every class is like 3 or 4 actual buttons and the rest is filler in between, for some reason there’s people that are too lazy to even look out in what order to press their buttons and decide to do below avarage dps with something like hekili, you’re literally self sabotaging yourself and you don’t even know it
Rbbt…yes that is one!
His point was is that Hekili is bad to use in the long run. Its prone to so many mistakes.
It cant react to certain scenarios and it needs to be up to date (and i dont mean the version). Lets take someone that generates a ressource. Hekili will always calculate the minimum amount that you would get. So in case you do not that minimum amount and the addon has to change it you will not be able to pay attention to it and then press correctly in a timely fashion. You will most certainly do a mistake. While someone with muscle memory doesnt have this issue.
Its safe to assume Elahri didnt go herpaderp with the CDs during M+ unless he wanted to hard int his grp. But Hekili still does too many mistakes.
Disclaimer: I dont know the extent of this addon or how well it actually is made, but…
My take is that I think addons like this can be useful if they are actually well made. Some specs certainly have difficult rotations or need to execute very specific rotations inside cooldowns to get the most out of their kit, so I think if you are someone who has problems with learning how to do your opener or how to burst correctly, it can be a useful tool to look at while learning.
That said, I also think you are just shooting yourself in the foot if you are someone who is actually relying on these addons full time, because it doesnt improve you as a player in the long term if you are still following a rotation helper months into your new class/spec, and it certainly isn’t optimized for every scenario either I would imagine. Things like knowing when to switch to prio damage vs full sending AoE are important parts of gameplay and this addon won’t cover that.
Perhaps one cannot reach their full potential with such an addon.
But it definitely does help to partition more of the brain for the raid mechanics instead of the rotation.
As someone who is using Hekili since Legion, I am grateful it exists cause they have really jumped the shark about how classes are to be played compared to how it is on the pre cataclysm versions of WoW.
I can learn to do my rotation fine on MMOs like FF14 where the philosophy is to fit all the spells for the rotation within the confines of a console controller (16 buttons) while also having a much bigger global cooldown than WoW.
Meanwhile in WoW, the side panel of my mouse alone is 12 buttons… and people may be recording your performance for posterity.
Imagine being not good at the game and asking the game to be easier .
Next we will have people saying that tests are too hard so there should not be any . Oh wait … Woke generation .
Also 27 million downloads . This addon is probably used for botting or some automation as it probably highlights some keys , or provides other output a bot program can take to move your character automatically around .
I don’t see how this addon could be used for botting, looking at screenshots of it, it does little more than a weak aura does, by putting images on the screen of what to cast next. Perhaps it does have some way of exporting data, I didn’t look into it that much. But it’s no more usable for botting than a weakaura is.
Also: botting is bannable however a person choses to bot. Removing addons that have a legitimate use because some might use them less legitimately, is like saying we should ban the internet because some people use it to download movies.
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I don´t understand, should Blizzard not listen to bad players? Bad players make up the vast majority of the WoW playerbase. I mean WoW has one of the worst playerbases when it comes to the skill of its players. Only games like Mario Kart or The Sims have people who are worse at computer games playing them.
If we don´t listen to bad players they just leave (which they have, DF has awful numbers).
Rotations / ability usage in Dragonflight is complex relatively to every other earlier iteration of WoW. That is a fact. Not up to debate.
We will never have something beautiful like Legion Guardian Bear and DH tank with like 8 buttons again sadly.
Most players cant even do rotation whilst standing still going by my timewalking dungeon runs so far. I don´t blame them, who wants to go to WoWhead or Youtube to figure out how to play their class.
Nah, given the low subcriber numbers it is a fact.
Unless you wanna go into some argument about low sub numbers and no one playing the game is akthually objectively good because gaming is bad or something. Then sure, you can argue with me.
Otherwise all the numbers and data show that the increased complexity always scares people off and is bad for the game.
Feedback from class discords is why we are in the mess roflmao. I do sometimes feel bad about making fun of class discord mods because there was one guy who was okay and understood that the game should be designed around casuals. However most of them are completely out of touch with reality, and have actively made the game worse with their clown suggestions. Input from a 90 year old grandmother would be more useful than input from a class discord mod.
Game gets harder = less people play
And these people still can´t accept it. Even worse they can not understand that the game having an active playerbase is in their own long term interest.
That you even have coaching in a game like this shows that the game is too complex. Easy. Next.
Of course a game like Dota 2 which is an actual competitive eSport with millions of dollars in prize pool would have coaching.
A game about slaying dragons and getting loot? No.
I wish.
Bring back Guardian Druid with like 8 buttons from Legion to help solve waiting for a M+ tank. Make 1-2 healer specs absolutely braindead easy to help alleviate the lack of healer situation in m+ too while we are at it.
Spreading the difficulty as wide as Blizzard have done with LFR / normal / heroic / mythic and M+ easily going from 2-22 is why this game is such a failure.
I can play with my bad friends in hyper competitive games like Dota / CS:GO. I can not play with my bad friends in WoW.
I know what you will say, those are PvP games!! How can you compare? Here is the thing, you know vanilla / TBC / WTLK? Those iterations of WoW you could play with your bad friends in almost all content because everything was so ridiculously easy.
You think the argument you are making is smart, when in fact it just proves what a bloated mess current WoW is. The massive different amount of different difficulties is why this game is a failure played by almost no one.
And don´t even bring up WoW pvp, it does not have a single dev, might as well not exist.
We all remember the massive failure that was Legion 
Yeah top players and people on the WoW forums and r/wow who mostly make up top players complained and cried about the game being pruned. Then they got everything they wanted in Dragonfail, and now numbers are so bad even Taliesin is talking about having to get a part time job if he wants to make content in the future. Because viewership / interest in WoW has been falling at such an alarming rate.
You are just helping me prove my point, so thanks I guess?
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Yeah sure mate who has no idea. Not like for instance the Assa Discord wants exsanguinate gone because of what a mess the ability is. An ability that is infact “way too complex” and stays in total contrast of the rest of the spec. Thankfully its currently bugged and a DPS loss in all scenarios.
Depends on the mod im afraid.
That wont solve anything. People are fed up with their roles and how they are treated in pugs.
Healers are plenty powerful. Its people getting hit by everthing in existence. You wont suddenly have healers appear even if you buff them if people keep standing in everything.
The point was that people complain no matter how many buttons they have to use.
Cool story. So? Unless youre either really bloody entertaining or at the top you wont be relevant forever in a game. And hitting heads with the biggest streamer of the game (and lose) also didnt exactly help. This has been the case with WoWs fandom since the beginning.
Oh yes creating a place for everybody is such a bad idea. Not. Its people like you that arent happy that they cant beat the hardest difficulty and want it removed just so you can say “i beat the game”.
Yes you very much can. You chose not to. Major difference. Even back in the days your “bad friends” were stuck in Kara while your good friends were in BT/HS/SWP.
And your bad friends were at 1.2k rating. Your good friends were at 2.4k+
You have coaches in every pve game with a competitive nature. Every PvP game has coaches.
And if you want it easier you have the lower difficulties. If you cant do a +20 or a +25 or Heroic Raid or Mythic Raid then bloody accept it. Or improve.
Totally nothing to do with other bad decisions over bad decisions like covenants or AP or bad legendary systems like in Legion and Shadowlands and people getting fed up with after several xpacs in a row and the such nono.
The game got easier and less complex but whatever.
Who cares about rotations in a timewalking dungeon??? Like seriously?
Also people went to third party websites for their classes since Vanilla. That is as old as this game.
Oh really? Sub Rogue in HFC wants a word. 1 mistake? Say goodbye to your dps mate as you wont be seeing it again anytime soon.
Not when it comes to balancing. What a bad player deems overpowered or weak has no real merit. You could have a trash player during 4.3 say Rogues are bad in PvP and now they end up buffing them. Yeah good job, you just created the biggest monster known to exist.
No. We have a playerbase whos skill is widely spread out. Thats a major difference.
That coming from you of all people is irony at its finest.
People have been using sub count as proof of every nonsensical theory they’ve had, including the sarcastic thread about WoW dying because of no boob sliders.
Those who are struggling with rotations aren’t playing on a level where optimal rotations matter. It’s that simple.
Better players do better DPS. I don’t understand why this is surprising.