Yes, I have, for many years. And over the years blood elves have grown drastically less arrogant.
Difference here is that my interpretation is supported by the lore, yours is not. For many years before, many elves were pious worshippers of the Holy Light and were taught the same message of respect and compassion.
And I have seen nothing that would suggest elves are even remotely homophobic.
Debatable. But thatâs a topic for another time.
You repeat the same thing like a broken record, claiming lore supports you and then fail to provide said lore supporting homophobia existing in the setting.
To date no one has managed to give a source to support that. Weird.
One cannot spell sinâdorei without sin.
Jokes aside though thatâs definitely something that would vary from character to character.
My point is as supported as yours it. Does it say on the wiki that it makes you viable to produce offspring? If not, it is headcannon with the same reasoning behind it that I am using.
You are right.
This is tiring. I have explained myself over and over and I donât need anyone elses approval for how I interpret the lore and RP the characters I make.
I feel I have offered all I can to this discussion and am stepping out.
bye felicia
au revoir in ten words
To play devilâs advocate, there is a character in the books that contradicts another of Steve Danuserâs recent points, that sexism does not have a place in the lore, that being Lorin Remka who had to disguise herself as a male to join the army during the Second War.
However itâs clearly contradicted by future material such as Chronicles Vol. 2 (with artwork of the Second War), and along with homophobia should definitely not have a place in WoW whatsoever. However, my point is that Blizzard has a habit of contradicting themselves on previous lore, but thatâs probably not a surprise to anyone.
I think specifically with this we can chalk at least some of it to Blizzard becoming more socially conscious and considerate of what they choose to depict, much as a company like Disney has a lot of things that are really offensive in their old filmography (namely Song of the South, although Blizzardâs never done anything that controversial to my knowledge), it wouldnât surprise me if Blizzard are trying to silently move away from past depictions without drawing any attention to them.
You donât. But roleplaying is a community driven thing. Oneâs enjoyment and interpretation should not be more important than the immersion and welbeing of the community. There are things I have different readings on then others or I think are too controversial. I choose to stay away from those and that makes it a more enjoyable environment for both me and the people I interact with.
From the Lord of the Clans novel, which was released in 2001 before even Warcraft 3âs release. And itâs more or less the sole example of sexism in this setting, at least amongst the more civilised races. And it is contradicted almost everywhere else since then.
Oh absolutely. I never thought overmuch of Song of the South either, but it certainly has its connotations in the public image. You are quite right with Blizzard taking that kind of approach, but I think keeping a companyâs overall history in mind is critical to evaluating their work, and which direction it has taken.
Irelia really is proving that âi have 10 years of experience in RPâ comment means nothing in terms of quality of RP the player can provide.
Once more thereâs 200+ posts arguing about already-debunked points.
@zagkush can you add the links from previous thread (with perhaps a short context) to your original post so that people who click on this thread can see what has already been talked about? When you have time, that is!
Itâs abysmal that there are still people arguing for âmuh populationâ or similar takes (or arguing about racism) when itâs been beaten to the ground ten times over already.
Even if all the rules against homophobia/sexism/racism are based on corporations wanting to seem PC⌠I really donât mind. The result is that we get to play in a space without alt-right degeneracy. The only people that lose are bigots.
For the record, homophobia isnât a thing in quite a few fantasy universes; The Elder Scrolls comes to mind. Fantasy authors often time like to make universes that donât have to deal with the same crap as we do in real life; or, alternatives, donât feel the need to write it in, because itâs just a weird thing to force into a setting.
I will write them just as bad rpers and put them in the void.
In regards to single player games, books, films, and other media that doesnât involve player collaboration containing homophobic universes, I think it can be okay depending on the authorâs intent. Showing a futuristic setting for example where anti-LGBTQ+ sentiments are still present could be a valid thing if the authorâs intent was to show something along the lines of âtechnological advancements donât matter if society refuses to move forwardsâ, or similar ethoses.
Similarly people will write albums or draw art based on traumatic experiences that might or might not be as a result of prejudice, and in those cases them exploring such subjects isnât to glorify them but to perhaps deal with the experience through a creative means because moving past it internally might not be something they feel they can do.
But yeah in a multiplayer medium itâs preferable to have open-minded universes in my opinion.
Unfortunately that seems not to work as it went on for 200 posts.
Almost as if bigots lack reading comprehension and while the 2k posts from last thread may seem gargantuan, you got all the points covered pretty early on (the Danuser statement is in the middle, but is linked to by Tehya as well).
After all, the key arguers (for homophobia) here seemed to conveniently ignore the mounds of evidence against homophobia in WoW and continue pretending they are right.
Futuristic settings are often still rooted in the real world (eg, Earth in 3k years or w/e) and thus the anti-LGBTQ+ sentiments have had a chance to spawn through religion or whatnot. Fantasy settings need to have those written in to begin with, which might smell a little off depending on how itâs written overall.
Exploring those topics in fiction can be done tastefully, but Iâd feel a little weird if itâs a completely different fantasy setting and the author just decides to throw in IRL bigotry for the sake of it.
I think it would come down to authorial intent at that point. If the author themselves was LGBTQ+ or an LGBTQ+ activist then I could believe it as a legitimate means of expression moreso than someone whoâs shown no prior interest in the LGBTQ+ community. But yeah, for the most part, itâd probably be a bit of a âwhy did you feel this was necessary?â moment.
By your logic, every character ever created that is transgender, is bad RP. Since, in Shadowlands for the first time it will have some basis in lore. Which means currently, it has no basis, yet.
Just because there is no lore written ALREADY, doesnât mean anything about the subject is bad. Isnât RP and stuff about writing your own stories?
In my opinion, the inexistance of example and the fact that is against ToS is proof enough that it doesnt take place in the lore and folk headcannon is meaning less argument.