More active by far.
AD is somehow also lessâŠ
wellâŠ
story forums
Until you mentioned this I had no idea there were RP subforums. And Iâd also forgotten that non-English RP realms existed and were (presumably) still active.
Anglocentrism on the internet needs to cease!
Where are my Swedish RP realms?
jag börjar krÀkas vÄldsamt
Yes, and back then, fel magic and necromancy were arcane magic, albeit more corrupted forms of it. They went as far as to condemn magi to the pits of demons upon their deaths.
In the book we are repeatedly told paladins wouldnât as much as speak to Rhonin simply due to him being a mage. Have you even read Day of the Dragon? The sheer amount of disdain that paladins continue to show for magi is almost comical.
What in-game representation?
Yes, several. Letâs begin with the Three Virtues.
Respect is the first virtue taught to those joining the path of the Light. When looking at an enemy, one must look past the hatred that separates. There are qualities to respect and prowess to be acknowledged. Conducting oneself with honor and treating oneâs opponent as one wishes to be treated shows respect. Respecting oneâs opponents on the field is acknowledging a connection, which brings one closer to the Light.
The virtue of Respect alone contradicts so much of what we are told of paladins in both Warcraft 3, before the Virtues were written, and how they have acted since. By looking past the hatred that separates you and another, you find qualities in them that you can respect. By conducting yourself with honour in all matters and treating your opponents with respect, you are brought closer to the Light. This is entirely unlike what we see in Day of the Dragon, where an older paladin of the Silver Hand is described as, and I quote, "Senturusâs nostrils flared as if he had just smelled something noxious. simply because Rhonin spoke.
Now, there is the Virtue of Compassion.
Compassion is the last step on the path of the Light. In times of rivalries, it is easy to see differences at every turn. The challenge is in looking beyond appearances and understanding the similarities. Through this understanding, one can feel compassion for the losses others have suffered, even if the victim bears another banner. By feeling and understanding compassion in enemy and ally alike, one reaffirms his or her connection with the world.
By looking at your enemies / rivals, you neednât look at the differences that separate you, but the similarities that you both share. By understanding your enemy / rival beyond mere appearance, you feel compassion for their losses. Through that compassion, you grow closer to the world around you.
Beyond that we have the complete and utter lack of any anti-magic / magi rhetoric from the clergy in any way shape or form in the game itself or stories outside of these two; as Iâve said before, those two were also from a point in time where arcane magic was both fel and necromancy.
Also, if the Church of the Holy Light didnât like magi, why would its clergy be perfectly fine with wading into battle for the explicit purpose of healing trolls hooked up on Voodooo mojo and orcs tainted by fel magic? Like, youâre calling it âheadcanonâ, but the lore of the Church of the Holy Light with two exceptions really does show an inclusive and progressive religion. You speak of in-game representation, but where is that? Where are the paladins that hate mages so much they loathe the very idea of being in the same room as them? Why did no paladin or priest bark at the idea of having a mage as their queen when people spoke of Jaina and Arthas marrying? If this was something that was so well represented in the lore and in game, why are there only two antique instances of it?
These two go hand in hand, mind you. The fall of Lordaeron utterly broke the spirit of the people of Lordaeron, as shown with the Archbishop himself. They were broken by Lordaeronâs fall and the Twilightâs Hammer explicitly targeted Lordaeronians as potential recruits for the cult - amongst them Benedictus. The Scarlets arenât proof of highly conservative elements, as we see none of them before the fall of Lordaeron and before Saidan gets taken over by Balnazzar, weâve only got Abbendisâ reaction to a troll wielding the Light to go by.
Again, what in-game representation? Itâs two antique sources and youâve evidently overlooked much of what I have said.
What dislike of science/modern rationality?
Mage-Priests have only appeared once and thereâs no lore to them beyond the name âMage-Priestâ. In Warcraft 3 they were simply priests of the Light.
The one example I can think of is the Scarlet Crusade, at least in vanilla, when an NPC mentions that their âdistrust of the Arcane has grownâ. The point being though that itâs the Scarlet Crusade, infamous for twisting the Lightâs teachings under the directive of a dreadlord.
And they still had mages in Tyrâs Hand then too.
The Scarlets were/are loons.
Yeah, not really. Rise of the Lich King - a newer source compared to the ones youâre citing - points out that the Church in fact really loves mages. Magic is a powerful tool to advance the Lightâs will (i.e. do good) and they bless Jaina upon her acceptance into the Kirin Tor specifically because of this, and the normies of Lordaeron also loved magic a lot as she showed a display during Hallowâs End festivities lighting the wickerman on fire with a spell.
As for the Day of the Dragon which you really love to cite, Duncanâs father is a powerful man and Duncan is explicitly made out to be an outlier. All the paladins who follow him are kissing yes-men because of who his father is and agree with him on everything and in the context of the story they hammer in very clearly that he is wrong in every conceivable way. Did you read the novel?
He is not a proof of widespread hatred of mages among the faithful; this is not Dragon Age.
thatâs exactly what a damned knife-ear would sayâŠ
I dont know how other fellow Swedes think/see it, but alot of the average swedish wow players I see seemâŠnot really all that great. Aside from us roleplay nerds, most people I see that proclaim and/or announce their swedishness in some way either usually does it with really really cringy names in Swedish, most of the time, some kind of slur/play on word thats in many cases not even allowed in regular servers, let alone RP ones.
That, or agressivly typing praises for Jimme Ă kesson and the racist party in trade chat, proclaiming their hatred of leftists, women, people of colour etc. Or just generally being spammy memelords in swedish alongside this.
So yeah, im often embarassed by other swedes due to their online presence.
events like trying to hold a hammer and a sickle OOC gathering on Argent Dawn.
Yeah, that one too was justâŠbad.
How do you know someone is Swedish?
Dw theyâll tell you
For me itâs a mixed bag as it is with other nationalities.
The ones in my guild are great, but Iâve also ran into people behaving like usual internet people do.
I was just memeing about Swedish RP servers because the language is hilariously cringy when used for fantasy writing.
Back in school, my friends and I used to love doing rough translations of movie titles.
It becomes so bad that itâs amazing. Swedish just isnt good for fantasy/sci-fi for some reason.
If Finnish RP ever becomes a thing, it needs to be written out in the form of Kalevala prose.
Donât RP if you donât know traditional Finnish poetry prose
At SmÄlland
I like the language in general, it just becomes absolutely ridiculous in this specific context.
Imagine your primary DPS spell as a mage being named âSvĂ„rbegriplig spĂ€rreldâ.