The gain? Overcoming a villain, for example, as I said.
And if the argument ist “It violates the ToS” then there is no need of a gain. Then “But fighting does too” is a valid response.
I just don’t like the ToS-club when saying: “Don’t be a homophobic bastard and invade other people’s happy place in RP!” works as well.
There are much better and more interesting villains to overcome
Don’t pre determin my race and associate my views based on it. Thats called Racism, and dont make assumtions about me.
Make an angry tweet @WarcraftDevs to change the ToS for you then.
Also, ToS aside, homophobe character don’t exist in universe so RPing one is bad RP based on personal headcanon at best.
The ToS thing has been brought up because apparently saying “be empathetic towards your fellow WoW players” is too much of an ask.
Except many things you´ve mentioned have basis in lore, while stuff like homophobia or even racism among humans doesn´t.
It´s really that simple, of course the “it exists in RL and therefore has to exist in WoW” roleplayers will keep fighting for inclusion of these things, even if Blizzard themselves say it´s not how the world works.
Actually, for most of the thead/s there’s been an absence of 
posters so we’ve been able to have reasonable and productive conversations about the place LGBT people have in the roleplay community. It’s been 90% an exercise in positivity and inclusion.
This. It’s only when the clowns come out of their comically sized mini car that they get clowned on for their incredibly weird hot takes.
I wouldn’t bother trying to reason with those who are grabbing any invisible straw they can… They don’t even read at this point, just trying to throw insults and acusations.
Or alternatively, blacklist guilds and players from public events, make an example of people who refuse to listen and learn, and show that there are in fact consequences for deciding to engage in irrational roleplay based on archaic world views.
I agree! But i also met people who said “There are more interesting things than fighting”, which is valid, too.
@Obahar: Some people said that yes, and the “club” might be totally appropriate against those, I agree. But if we use a hammer for everything, then problems tend to look like nails. I’d like a more nuanced apporach. In everything.
Because, as I stated, the “club” calles ToS could be used against 90% of all RP-Plots I ever saw as well. That’s why I advocate against using it too easily.
Reporting players/characters that harass blatantly is fine. Reporting the first instance a character says something like “i don’t like…” dulls the “weapon” in my opinion.
I am totally with you there! 
But then the “There is no lore to support that!” argument (which was made very often) is the better argument and one i wholehartedly agree too.
But “It violates ToS” is, I repeat myself, not the best argument because fighting does too. No matter if there is fighting in the lore.
The main call has been is that homophobia doesn’t exist in wow thou, and headcannon is not a valid argument to support it.
Fair enough, but at this point the thread is 400 posts deep and there’s still people trying to act as if it’s the LGBTQ+ community’s responsibility to not get offended, rather than putting the blame rightfully on the people lessening the RP experience of others to either make a needlessly and frankly poorly-done edgy character, or those twisted enough to use their virtual character as a soapbox for their outdated beliefs.
But it’s massivly counterproductive to this support to jump in and just going “Lmao, this thread is silly, let people be homophobes!”
Having homosexual friends and supporting them as people are both very positive things, but they do not exclude you from receiving criticism for supporting problematic/homophobic positions.
I would quite happily avoid roleplaying with anybody who thinks it’s a remotely good idea to forcefully insert the outdated ideals of bigots into a game that has already denounced such characteristics. And I advocate for anybody with any respect for the LGBTQ+ community to do the same.
Guys the clown honked his nose
Guys hahahahaha 
Precisley!
This is very much in line with the “I have black friends so I can say the N-Word to random people on the street!”
I said let people play a fictional character, its my opinion that IC and OOC are very different things. Listen if you were talking about the real world or person on person attacking i’d be supporting you. I just think the is a difference vixi thats all