Homophobia in rp needs to cease

I’m a troll, you’re a blood elf, something something Amani now being not that amani anymore because of farstriders that actually stay rather close to home, zul’jin learned its dangerous to keep elves at arm lenght.

Also Garithos was a racist and how did that turn out for him?

Ah, the subtleties of life and how they keep eluding us.

Yes but anything which is bigoted against real races is against the ToS regardless of circumstance. The ToS doesn’t take RP specifically into account with regards to its rules on in-game communication.

Irelia, memeing aside I’m honestly trying to make you understand why people think you’re homophobic, but you seem completely unable to get why people think that way, even after numerous attempts.

What you’re doing is so incredibly embarrassing for you, your guild and everyone associated with you.

I don’t think this is true, otherwise you wouldn’t have cried about defamation and slander for 2 hours straight, I honestly believe you’ve got completely twisted and has no idea what you’re doing wrong at this point.

One last time, in good faith:
People think you’re homophobic, because:

  • You have spent an incredible amount of time defending it.
  • You grasp at straws along with Amdusias at any reason to get away with it, even if we assume there was lore legitimising it, this alone is incredibly concerning
  • And you seem to be mindlessly liking the posts and cheerleading people who say they want to RP gay hating charaters, no matter their reasoning.

That’s why I personally percieve you as homophobic, and I believe that’s why many others do as well.

You can clarify your statements so you don’t look like a massive idiot. But your only defence has just been weird false equivalencies, just saying “No I’m not!” instead of adressing the accusation or randomly bringing up law terms you don’t understand.

I makes you appear as either an incredibly hateful person pretending to be dumb, or just incredibly dumb.

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Okay yes, you’re sticking up for yourself, but you’re also sticking to your guns on the whole “homophobia in RP is okay” front, right? Of course I understand somebody wanting to stick up for their name, to stick up for their reputation, but that’s not really the point here.

I don’t take issue with you, merely this one stance that you’ve been adamant to maintain, despite numerous people in numerous ways saying why it’s generally a bad idea and why it shouldn’t be done.

And maybe you can go back and look through the thread and pick out some point where I was frustrated and curt and maybe a little rude, I’ll not act as if I’ve maintained some flawless degree of decorum during this, I’ve certainly not. But the reason people have come to this conclusion of you being homophobic is because you’ve very much held the same position and stance that somebody who is homophobic would. That doesn’t mean people were right to insult or belittle you. That doesn’t mean that everyone anti-homophobia-in-RP has always conducted themselves to the best degree. But it’s not an unreasonable conclusion to come to.

Let’s say instead the thread was about not bringing IRL racial ideals into RP. That the point I was bringing up was that humans judging other humans for skin colour and stereotypes needed to stop, and you held the stance of it being okay to RP because it’s just a game, it’s seperate from reality, all of that. People would most likely consider you to hold some degree of racist ideals because somebody who is racist would also advocate for that.

And the more you’ve stood against the idea of keeping this out of RP, the worse it’s looked overall, because it doesn’t feel as if the concerns we’ve had have often been taken seriously or have been brushed aside too often.

I admit I’m tired and I’m rambling somewhat, this might not be all too focused, but I think I got the point I wanted to across all the same.

Objectively, no. I roleplay a shadow priest who values the needs of the one and needs of the few far, far more than the needs of the many. That’s not really good boy material.

We tried gamers, they are beyond saving.

I’m just going to stop responding to you now. You are not worth it anymore.

We both know thats not true.

I was worth it for 9 hours tho.

Actually you’re wrong. It doesn’t matter who was the ‘target’ and whether they are straight or not. In fact there doesn’t even need to be a target. The f-slur for homosexual males and the n-slur for black people are banworthy as examples of racism even if used as baseless profanity without a specific target. Somebody making the statement ingame is enough.

Yes. That’s why you can’t outright RP a racist, sexist or homophobe.

It technically does.

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They are all out of character concepts now.

In those specific instances, even if it is purely IC, I see no problem with somebody being banned for using that language in a 12+ rated game.

Then all elves should be banned for being racist by their nature.

Lots of people need to be banned then.

The ToS doesn’t need to be clear - infact, it benefits Blizzard if it’s as garbled and unclear / vague as possible, so they cannot be held accountable for not adhering extremely nuanced and specific rules. Better to have a broad stroke than a list of every instance you can report people.

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I’m sure the blizzard CM who wakes up tomorrow will get right at it.

Indeed. Though it also opens them up to people arguing back on them being clear or not. Though, with them being a company who can do what they want, they will likely just use it as an excuse to make up as they go.

It is like having a final rule as: Anything the moderator says, goes.

So when the rules might not cover something, a mod can step in and still put the final nail in an issue.

Not sure of your point. A homophobic person may have more reasons to hate me than just the gay bit, but that’s not what we’re discussing, is it?

Soulburn has given you countless well-written posts highlighting your mistakes, done in good faith and more, and you still just :poop: on it with quick and easy dismissive sentences. Stop clowning.

And stop being obtuse, this has been explained already.
Come on, you said you’re a programmer, IRL racism and in-game racism ((speciesism)) are two different things. You could’ve had a much better point by bringing out the sexism in night elves, but you’re just too slow :pensive:

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You can, keep in mind we had characters like Garithos and Blackmoore.
However as i said, be prepared to get hated.

Why? It’s just IC? It’s fake so it should be fine right? Those words are only considered ‘profane’ because of what they mean and the real world context.

If an Elf logs into WoW and starts being mean to ethnic minorities I am sure they will be banned. Hopefully when the Giml-I mean Dwarves (don’t ban me for the G-slur) start doing the same to Elves the latter will reconsider their ways.

Technically? Yes.

Such concepts existed in the setting but Blizz weren’t beholden to the ToS before WoW and they aren’t now. They can put whatever they want in the game.

Nothing either of us will say will make you change your mind. Nothing you will say to us will make me (at least) change my mind.

I will not be pontificated at about what I want to place into a character of mine. I have over 20 different characters on Argent Dawn with a plethora of personalities, backstories and motivations.

I have outwardly flamboyant, hedonistic and camp characters who would be better suited to RuPaul’s Drag Race.
I have conservative and reserved characters that would probably be better off in a convent.
I have characters in between that have zero interest in any sexuality, as in they are asexual and are devoted to other things (like demon killing, study of the arcane.)
But because one of my characters does not like the idea of a same-sex relationship, for flawed reasons. I am somehow some form of oppressive monster.
No, you do not get to decide that, no one here is allowed to decide that.

Again I go back to the talk of an author not reflecting their creations. Some people here have managed to understand that, while most have willingly ignored that for whatever reason (most likely so they can score twitter points or some vapid e-currency) and decided because of that single facet I am now an awful person and can be accused of anything under the sun.

Reciprocity, if I am dismissed I will dismiss the dismissers.

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