Fair, but still… Don’t call ppl moron’s for having a different opinion… That is not okay, doesn’t matter what context/opinion they have…
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No, it’s not OK for Jóóló to call other people morons. I agree. not even people equating having RDF in Wrath Classic with playing Retail.
And btw. I know next to nothing about Retail, my main there is still level 113 
(in my mind at least). I don’t even have the SL xpac, so your stream on that is gibberish to me 
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Keep LFD, Dual spec, Race and Faction changes in Wrath Classic (but not at launch)
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Give 2 Era servers for TBCC
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Let the RP servers survive.
Just make the LFG-Tool good and keep RDF in retail, where it belongs. I play both games alot, and I promise you, rdf will destroy every social aspect there is in wotlk outside of your guild. It will destroy world pvp, most will level by standing in big cities accepting queue pops, and it will just feel soulless. it will simply just be a worse version of retail, if it goes that route, because retail is at least a good challenging game mechanically. Classic lives from its social mmorpg aspect.
The funny thing is that people against RDF say that “I want to travel to the instance, not teleport there” and that’s it. We will still use a tool to find groups.
Also in a world of GDKPs and boosts, if you want RDF “go play retail”. Yeah… ok.
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I will raise you one.
- Insta release all of that, as patch 3.3.5 had it originally.
- Make 1 TBC ERA server, atleast it will be semi-active for a few months.
(2 will just split up the little playerbase too much.) - RP servers are a questionmark for me, as I don’t participate there. But I can only wonder, isn’t the most popular PvE server enough?
M8, I saw you made a post, where you said you came from retail and just hit 70 soon in tbc. You didn’t even play the game. Just let it play out like the devs are intending to atm, because they know what they’re doing better than you. Imagine dungeon finder on the fresh server from the start. Would totally ruin the leveling.
I also said above, I have experience in wotlk.
Not in tbc because I was way “too noob” in the game to experience it properly.
Quick fyi, that post was made because I only see GDKP spam in the Shattrath chat, and I was unaware how to gear up without gold.
EDIT: I am unaware how it will “affect lvling” but isn’t it as simple as reduce the exp gain from dungeons? This way you can run the dungeon for loot and just continue lvling like you do now? (Lvling healers/tanks will be boosted with RDF, in my opinion ofcourse, btw)
- No, I have quite enough of n00bs who do not know where the dungeon entrances are situated at least one month so that they can learn
- 2 TBCC Era servers - or make it a PvE. I won’t play on a PvP server ever again!
- Most popular PvE server is full, second and third are high, nowhere low pop for me to go. I don’t like crowded.
And why not just let the few hundred playing RP in those 3 servers alone? They won’t boost the PvP scene anyhow.
You don’t realize, that the game is better the less you know about it. Entering a dungeon without RDF, while not knowing at first where it is located, is a very good experience. Especially if you don’t have a flying mount. The game wasn’t originally designed to have rdf from the start, and it’s also not a end game simulator where the goal is to raid as soon as you can. I know alot of people treat it that way, but imo, I’d rather play retail for that and have actially challenging content.
But sure, let RDF come with the release of ICC or even ulduar, that’s fine with me.
But originally patch 3.3.5 had ICC as release. That’s were also the RDF came into the game.
But to be fair, at this point I am just ranting why they just don’t start at 3.0 and release things slower then they did in Vanilla/TBC…
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First of all, I’ve never said that it’s a fact that classes “were more fun and enjoyable to play back then”, but simply that a lot of us feel that way - I certainly do.
And second, I didn’t call morons people who do not want RDF in WotLK. I’ve called morons people who think that, if you want RDF, you can just play retail - as if retail was exactly the same as WotLK, plus RDF. If that’s not idiotic, I don’t know what is.
You did call it a fact “Simply the fact that classes were more fun and enjoyable to play back then (especially in WotLK) than now in Retail.”
And then again, calling ppl moron’s is not okay… Even though their opinion is wrong (lol) it stays an opinion.
EDIT: But it’s all good. No hard feelings 
RE-EDIT: I just reacted too say I like quite some of the SL classes more then the wotlk ones.
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That’s not “a fact”. That’s “the main reason why a lot of us are playing Classic over Retail”. If you don’t feel the same, okay cool. But you can’t ignore the fact that classes do, in fact, play very differently from retail and that a lot of people chose Classic because of this.
They do deff play differently, but so do the raid and dungeons and their mechanics. I cannot imagine a single player enjoying doing Halondrus while spamming Frostbolt for example…
The classes evolved toghetter with the content, it is a neccessity.
I only reacted too say your “Fact” is not a fact at all. Just a “opinion”, popular or not i’ll leave aside.
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That’s the main point, really. I’m pretty sure that, if devs simply said something like:
“We’re leaving RDF out of phase 1, as we believe that would discourage people from leveling through Northrend as was intended. We will introduce it with phase 2, once the majority of players are at max level already”
most people would agree, or at least find such a stance reasonable. Even if they said something like “We’re adding it only with ICC so as to follow how it was back then, too”… I would disagree but I could see some sense into it.
However, removing it completely because it’s against “the Spirit of Classic”… and not just that, but also removing stuff that’s been in WotLK not just from 3.3 but from pretty much the very beginning, like auto-disenchant… I’m sorry, but I can definitely understand why so many people are upset.
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Ppl like me are upset because we basicly get a half-classic, half-w/e they want version off a very very popular expansion.
Which will result in… A lesser popular expansion…
By not implementing LFG which was a big thing, they basicly say. We can change everything however we want, we don’t care about authencity or nostalgia.
Well yeah, to an extent, but that doesn’t change the fact that Retail is dramatically different from ALL versions of Classic, and that all the people who think that any one feature - be it flying, dailies, RDF or w/e else - will “turn Classic into Retail” and that people who like these features “should go play Retail instead” are either being VERY disingenous or completely stupid for ignoring this very obvious fact (i.e. how different Retail is)
At the speed classic is evolving they are able to play “Shadowlands Classic” in two years anyway 
Fyi, Realise how we totally changed this topic’s topic
Yeah but that’s another matter.
What I mean is that I’m not going to say a poster is a “moron” simply because I disagree with what they said. Using my example above, if a poster said that RDF should be in the game but not before ICC because “that’s how it was back then”, I would disagree with them - vehemently so - but I wouldn’t call them morons for that. I only call “morons” people who (sincerely or disingenously) outright ignore facts in the name of their own opinions.
… yeah, but that question had already been answered thoroughly. No WotLK isn’t consumable heavy at all, you just bring flask, two potions per boss, and food (unless you’re a caster or healer in which case you just use the leader’s fish feast anyway). No more runes, scrolls, or w/e. Sometimes you need to use drums or some other stuff to replicate missing buffs but mostly in 10m raids. At the end of the day it’s a LOT cheaper than TBC, let alone Vanilla.
There you go^^