its lasselasso, somehow only classic chars are showing up. Wont argue 610 is prob overgeared in m5… but after creating many many groups in that bracket… DH seem to be very squishy compared to their f.e warrior counterpart. (thats why i used that example)
Never the less my experience is the same as yours and therefore i did my “own” keys.
And yes the limit is constantly moving… ilevel and rio 1 week ago, its not worth the same this week. so if you are not on the train everyweek you left behind.
I had this bug for a week until yesterday because I dared to clear my browser cookies, Forum is as buggy as the game.
Realistically you can run 10s At 620ish ilevel, and you can get crests for that in 9s, the issue isn’t really the gear (Although 10s dropping mythic 1/6 would be nice) it’s more the difficulty curve being too much like a cliff at certain points, namely 9 to 10, and 11 to 12.
That’s not how it works 
CE 8/8 is a mythic raider
8/8hc is a CUrve raider
i am 
and i can tell you my experience . in 80 % of keys i join on +4 / +5 as tank 2 out of 3 dps usualy barely outdps me on aoe which makes the keys super painful and impossible to time - so i just leave and join another failed group - and another and another . and in every single key there is 1 dps who is doing st barely above mine.
so painful to do
and when im on aug - its painful to see people failing mechanics because they are just overwhelemed by to much happening at the same time.
6 resets later i see exatly the same i seen on week 1 - aka dungeons being just to hard for geenral wow population.
and since MDI is in full swing we wont see any major dungeon tuning till end of year.
so more and more people will just be giving up on game which is clearly no longer for them .
its horribly bad design .
but since its deliberate to force people back into raiding - nothing will change.
most people just stay for anniversary farm and then they will just unsub till next season
thats exactly how it works.
anyone who is 8/8 hc 7 weeks in will be raiding mythic in next months. just like they raided mythic in previous seasons.
and you know it perfectly well.
Except my 615 ilvl boosters didn’t.
You heard it here first. Get your 615 ilvl boosters for your +10’s. Random in No pressure. Otherwise it isn’t playable.
I runned 11 dungeons this weekend with randoms on my new mistweaver, from +2 to +5 and there’s 1 untimed key. Nobody gets overwhelmed and nobody leaves. I had to explain 1 time the guessing game in mists after a wipe… that’s it. And that key got also timed.
I am all for the DF season 3 key-scaling and rewards, but you make absurd statements.
Mythic raider is person who regularly attends mythic raids. 1/8M is mythic raider.
That’s curious. I did 6 of +4 this week and every key was in time. Most of them were +2, few +1 (we wiped few times) and one or two keys were +3. I can imagine that higher keys have less success rate, but +4 is easy enough.
Well ofc. Its the same as when i find dps WHO know how to push buttons i +2 and +3 the +4 keys i did
The issue is its just luck - you join enough groups to find not complelty failure ones.
Problem is how much … you have to go though untill you find normal players WHO know how to plress buttons
It was never as bad in previous seasons because those people were usualy stuck in ile 2-9 keys
Lilith is blinded by bitterness and spends most of their time projecting onto new players and deterring them to avoid the chance they may succeed where they have failed.
Get score week 1, time is of the essence. Always do this every season.
Failing that roll tank or heals and do what you want. You can do that to gain score quickly later and gear. You don’t have to stay tank
True story!
Nobody wants to join in on 9s since 8s gives the the exact same reward. And yes i almost timed a 10 where me and my 2 friends had average 615, and we took in 2 highgeared players 620++.
But it was my key, and as originally stated if it wasnt a “popular” dungeon… we still would be looking for 2 (good geared) pepps to join in.
Tbh it should be 6 gilded crests from a timed 5, and then scaling up to 12 for a timed 10. Then all us noobs gould keep upgrading our heroic gear and crafting 636pieces to the point where we overgear a 10 and can get ourself a mytic vault loot.
Honestly, it would already be enough if the vault vendor sold 15 gilded crests for 6 coins; you only need to upgrade 6 items (7 if you want the helm/8 for cloak) to the mythic tint - so 6-8 weeks of getting 6 coins and we’re gucci and don’t even need to bother with getting into stupid +8 keys to get our mogs.
Wanting two different outcomes, its hard to unite on one solution :D. but yes coins for crests would also work… but then reduce the needed crests to craft 636gear from 90 to 15 or 30.
Nice middleground for moggers and noobers
sure sure.
thats why reddit looks how it looks
thats why all podcasters / streamers are non stop for weeks discussing the horrible tuning of m+
thats why the bench podcsters had to literaly toss an apology episodes for their fans because they pissed them so much with idiotic comments like " we went into brd hc with 630 itlv and we had fun rotflstomping this i dunno why players dont do it its fun content and many others "
thats why best teams in world tossed towel on MDI and cba anymore
thats why m+ participation ratio are down the drain and worst they have ever been in S1 by mile.
because of my projections
damn im a god
but sure - here comes random lovely Tsjoh and says " guys m+ is fine dont complain " - everything is instant solved its all sunshine and rainbows
That is exactly the opposite from what i am saying. But you make absurd statements. Like:
What is so special about me that it is for me 0% and for you 80%?
And you here on the forum are just accusing players (including me) who are able to do +8-10 keys that they got boosted. Sorry if it hurts your feelings but i do not get boosted. And i am not raiding so i am not defending this system because i am a raider and try to exclude M+ players. (i am not defending the system at all).
You pull the whole story out of context. You even referred to a specific video and then completely make a whole fantasy about it and claim it as a streamer oppinion.
How would you know, you dont appear to have done anything?
you probaby play with overgeared alts of mythic raiders not with random pugs ?
or you dont mind dealing with horrible players - kudos to you .
either way your statement of 100 % success rate is pure nonsense which anyone who does m+ can confirm .
i see armory - all of people who claim that m+ is ok are raiders who already run their +10s for weeks now.