“Maybe we should point out that people have moved on since 2005”
I see I have to explain it.
People.
Who may have played TBC.
And WotLK…
Have since…
STOPPED… Playing…
And gone on. To do… OTHER… Things…
I really, REALLY, cannot make that sound more clearly to someone who took the wrong end of the stick and smashed their face with it before replying trying to score a point.
Here. I’ll make it even shorter.
People.
Stopped.
Playing.
Because.
They.
Found.
Something.
Else.
To.
Do.
Nothing to do with any subsequent decision by Blizzard, and everything to do with the fact that since WoW was released on day 1, people have subbed.
Played.
Quit. and done something else.
Yes TBC desing still changes and direct players behaviour way it did back in old TBC and players behave completly differently and aproch game completly differently than playrs on retail which have different desing.
It doesn’t work on classic realms, I have 3 Warriors on 3 realms (60/60/70) and have played Classic on and off from the start. Nobody plays Classic like they did in 2005, the launch was the most organised collective power levelling event I ever saw in my life.
On the TBC launch my guild started fresh on a new server with new chars (my current 70 and 3rd Warrior) and within days of TBC launching we had already cleared Karazhan including Nightbane, on the night before reset week we had our first 25man raid and cleared T4.
We absolutely churned through content like crazy and so did everyone else, as soon as the levelling craze was over people were back to raid-logging. In actual Classic it was even worse because people just played around world buff timers and raid-logged for that reason.
You can’t pretend like people play the game like they did in 2006. Razergore has 2000 active raiders and it’s completely dead outside of raiding, the number of players levelling is so few and not in sync (different level ranges) that they cannot possibly group together to do anything, people can’t even do attunement group quests without the help of a guild to boost them.
Why? Because new players aren’t signing up to play, and players dismantle raids thanks to modern gaming approaches honed through all information being available, then they play in maintenance mode waiting for new content. By and large people do not play WoW like they did 15 years ago.
You have to remember that most of the people still left these days would rather blame anything else but Blizzard or wow.
The fact that people would instantly jump to hating discord instead of questioning why Blizzard didn’t update their in game systems to be more accommodating to the growing times is hilarious to me. xD
And mention anything that’s not wow? they act like you went back in time and spat on their ancestors…theres a even a divide between retail and classic which again…is hilarious.
Have you seen the clownshow that came with Classic thanks to Discord?
People set up mafias between factions to farm devilsaur leather.
Blizzard should go ham on Discord, but I have to give it to them, they instead chose to integrate Twitter ontop lmfao…
LOL you act like the same thing wouldn’t have happened if Discord/vent/mumble/skype and whatever else wasn’t a thing…we both know it still would of happened, would of just happened in a guild or via friends lists.
Good luck doing progression Raiding without voice-coms…and if you are talking about Social media being used to communicate on a larger scale and/or cross-faction, that is not something Blizz can stop, since they do not and cannot control, players use of a multiplicity of Social media platforms…indeed this kind of organisation was entirely possible back in Vanilla, if peeps didn’t use it, that was not because the tools did not exist…think before you post.
I believe that rather than communication it’s a matter of the game being just old. It doesn’t renovate its formula since a very long while if ever, players already know all there is to know. Sure dungeons change each expansion, but are still dungeons. Same goes for raids. People don’t feel like communicating because they already know what to do, and if you don’t know what to do it’s only your problem, there are lots of guides where to learn from.
Confronting with a new experience as a whole enhances communications because no one has the slightest clue about what to do.
As someone who extensively played vanilla and progressed through the MC, BWL, AQ, Naxx raiding as they were released, while it was fun at that time, I can no longer commit myself to such extent. I was hyped by the Classic Servers, but my attention didn´t last long. It felt nostalgic, but I no longer enjoyed the game as it was 16 years ago or so.
With being said that, you are right that the world seems very empty right now. Its a relic of the past, and I don´t honestly know what can be done to fix that. Single server technology (ESO-style) would surely help, removal of flying mounts maybe, together with lots of end-game quests and meaningful content spread all over the place.
Its the game to an extent but judging classic wow, the community is driven by minmaxing culture and only chases for epics and big numbers on the screen.
You might. I only pug when none of my friends (or even regular acquaintances) are online, which is rare.
Again, I don’t.
The current endgame zones - currently Oribos and ZM - are still busy. I like to ‘people watch’ and there’s no lack of people watching to do in both zones. We also go to the raid entrance because it’s still the only way to get inside unless you restrict yourself to LFR (which was only created for people who wanted to access endgame content without being social).
It still is. I’ve made more friends through WoW guilds and communities than I ever have in the real world, and most of my time in game is spent doing group activities with those people.
Of course guilds like that exist, but it’s your choice to be a member of one (if you are). No-one forces you to, and there are plenty of guilds like the one this character is in, or the one my characters on Argent Dawn are in, that are busy and active, where people talk in guild chat and do stuff together.
Just because YOU don’t like a huge open world, where you can find places that are deserted, where you can feel utterly alone and get a sense of the vastness of the WoW universe, doesn’t mean every player wants the same thing. You are not everyone, you don’t speak for everyone. Stop trying to claim that your way is the only way, and everyone else should play the way you want to, whether they like it or not. Stop being selfish.
