How many of you push +20 keys and upwards without raid gear?

Oh was it really?

Well-well.

4 is also too many and I would argue is still hyperbole unless you’re looking for guilds that get hall of fame.

Of course it’s not easy! It’s the hardest thing in the game. No company puts in their hardest difficulty level with the idea in mind that everyone gets to complete it, and so is the case here.

Happens all the time, but if you do feel attached to them after all this, help them be better for the next tier. You’ve made friends - they will listen.

Again with the hyperbole. These 3 nights a week guilds killing 5 bosses are just… I don’t know where you’re coming up with it. I genuinely doubt these things exist for long; anyone would be frustrated by that! Not because of the amount of progress even, but because it implies you’re wiping hundreds and hundreds of times on every boss. I’d go mad!

I will not agree with that, no. It’s one of the most fun things I ever did in this game.

Duh, it’s mythic!

Sorry for horrible joke, I had to xD

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RELEASE THE INSTRUMENTS

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I got twice the same weapon, second time 252 after spending a lot of valor in upgrading it.
So much for having options.

Wel, congratz for the high keys.

U are in top 0.001%

Its a mmo, i think its fair that people that put so much time into the game, have some needs at that level. Gear requirements and stuff.

Why do you care so much? U are already in the top with limited time, congratz.

Those people dedicate most of the time to wow, for me even if seems so unhealthy, its thier choice and i believe they are entitled to choose.

You may be better or similar skill, but if u sont put the same time as them into the game yo gear, its only fair they choose people that do and have similar skill with you.

A fotball analogy “ even if ur same level as ur teammates, u train less, u play less.

I also agree game could be better with this systems.

But i found it a bit strange that you wanna unsub for this reason.

Make an alt, play another role and go push high again if thats what you like.

Maybe as a tank u will get to push higher , beeing more on demand.

Congratz once again, but bare in mind those people sacrifice sommuch irl life for that level of achievemnt and gear.

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Agree in totality, aplies to real life also

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RELEASE THE INSTRUMENTS

The ‘edge’ would be that they have better gear for all the activities they participated in.
Someone who does raiding should not get the best gear for all the other activities. That is inequality and as Blizzard is teaching us: that’s bad.

Not true. They are not awarded more. Not across the board anyway; only when you look at raiding. It’s time Blizzard stops catering to that minority.

Example of why your statement is not true:
If 2 people only do world content, the person who puts in more time and thus effort does NOT get higher gear. It’s capped.

This video utterly defies explanation.

I’m not even going to ask.

It’s a new genre.

Get with the times old man.

I think it’s too much to require 20 for higher gear. 18 is already a pain in the butt and you compete in those with bads from mythic raiding of around 5/10 that have extremely better gear.

18 is what should give the equivalent to raiding gear; it’s not like it’s easier than those lame mythic bosses; at least 8/10 of mythic raiding is to get 20 people to not be totally stupid.

I’m a rogue, I push the same 4-5 keys all day long…

Oh, not those keys.

This!

Im Pugging and have cleared Sylv many times now (while working full time and have family etc. )

What do you mean get with the times?

starts listening to

I think this is why they removed Raid tier sets in the 1st place after legion. The moment they gave mythic raiders an advantage, it suddenly becomes a huge imbalance. I am forced to use heroic domination gear to push keys, eventhough I have 252 gear in bag, is this normal? Not at all. You can practically ignore M+ now and clear 10/10M farm and go back and blast M+ 20+, there is no point in M+ gear unless its for a few trinkets.

I have nothing against mythic raiding but not everyone wants to commit to 3 days raiding with a guild to get a few pieces of loot. Thats 10 hours a week man, its insane.

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I really do not care if I am in the top 0.1% of the player base. Seriously this is nothing I am proud of because it was actually not even that hard. The only reason I want to keep pushing onwards (+22+23+24++) is because it is fun for me… believe it or not I enjoy it so much to log in after a long day/night of work and push high(!) keys.

Your football analogy really does not make any sense in regards to WoW. Imagine if raiding is football and basketball is M+ - Only because you are a good football player and start every match does not automaticly safe you a spot on a good basketball team. (sorry native english speakers lol)

Same problem… at a certain key level the Sockets/Shards will be required for me to be really competitive.

Whats the point in playing the game if I can not do the content I want to do.
I am forced to do content I do not want to do, to do content I want to do. FeelsSadgeMan

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You do understand what I mean though. Effort invested in doing world quests and doing mythic raiding is not equal.

I do share your position that world content for absolute casuals should award some kind of progression as these players don’t care for grouping up.