Well, you might be right.
But the only real reason I see to enter Korrak’s Revenge is to level the most alts possible.
I hope they won’t “fix” it while I’m able to level up 5/6 alts first and do some of the character level achievements. And do a Alliance alt once and for all only for the achievement purpose. Other than that, I’d never spend too much time on Alliance side honestly. The time is now.
I never offended anyone in Scared of dungeons discord, nor I was insulting there to anyone, heck I haven’t even participated much in that community at all in this expansion.
Alliance hemorrhaging players really has nothing to do with KR layout or map balance, which is the underlying topic of discussion that the thread initially wanted to address.
I didn’t say how it has anything to do with that. I only pointed out how the alliance losing there has a connection to the both imbalance in the game we are facing now and the quality of the players overall which are queing as alliance for that BG.
By connection, you mean that the atrocious current winrate of Alliance Korrak is entirely caused by the remaining Alliance players being people who’d rather cry about imbalance than play to win, yes?
Horde players would " cry " to if the imbalance in the game currently would be reverse and to the alliance advantage in the same way how it is in the horde now.
I’m not saying they wouldn’t. What I am saying is that the losses in Korrak are entirely the product of that attitude. When Horde had a “bad attitude” over AV combined with prevalent botting epidemic in BGs, their AV win ration went to almost 0%.
Alliance didn’t have less bots back then, but Horde had less motivated, legitimate players queing for AVs. It’s the same now, except instead of bots you have afkers/leechers.
I remember having wins and loses in vanilla and the later version of the AV as a player. Its true tho that the alliance had more wins in vanilla.
And I agree how " bad attitude " of some players can influence the matches for them to becoming the losing ones. But I don’t agree with you how the reason why alliance is losing now so much is entirely in the bad attitude of the certain players. It has a lot to do with the fact that horde now has majority of the more experienced hardcore players on its side, which we can see in the ranking currently I posted before, the difference is especially noticeable in the ones for the leaderboards for the rated battlegrounds in which the horde is supreme faction with a big 61 %.
Also that attitude about which you spoke about doesn’t just magically appear in the minds of certain players, its more the result of their previous experience with a lot of matches. When the players experience a more balanced games, and the better win-lose ratio than that attitude doesen’t develops as much.
And they did cry from Vanilla all the way to end of MoP when they were the smaller faction or did that memory slip by you ? Every Man For Himself (EMFH) human racial being the one single thing that bought players over in there thousands to Alliance for rated Arena but people forget that Horde has suffered as well because they are so fixated on Horde Bias now . Be angry at blizzard which is your right but don’t take it out on your fellow player which is wrong.
‘Inexperience’ and ‘casual’ are what I would attribute to the attitude category though.
Not wholly negative, but strictly within the context of one’s ability in shifting into a more effective meta in Korrak, it is detrimental.
When I’m speaking about Horde losing almost every AV during a certain period of time, I’m not referring to Vanilla, or TBC, or even Wrath, the biggest imbalance of wins in AV happened during MoP, which was caused by the prevalence of said defeatist attitude and honorbuddy.
Horde slowly bled out all the legitimate players and was eventually left with instant queue into AV with 30+ bots, because people kept saying “it’s imbalanced, imma blacklist this s###”, and the attitude manifested itself into a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
Most people in KR are there levelling their alts. We don’t have a whole group of super geared Hordes…besides the mount you gain nothing at lvl 120
Sorry but I never stated how I’m angry on the players nor I was, all I asked is from the Blizzard to balance the factions better, because the current imbalance is ridiculous and bad for the game. I didn’t asked from Blizzard to reverse the imbalance.
I want to add also how I don’t remember that the imbalance was ever so bad in the game for the any of factions in the period from the TBC onwards in which just one faction would dominate in every single aspect of the game like its the case now.
I think that was also the cause of the blacklisting feature.
Basically, any Horde player who knew the ins-and-outs of Battlegrounds, knew to blacklist Alterac Valley, because it wasn’t worth the effort. You were better off playing the other Battlegrounds where the Horde was far more likely to win.
So those Horde players who ultimately ended up joining Alterac Valley were the more casual players, newbies, uninformed, and otherwise out of the loop. They were lambs to the slaughter.
As soon as Blizzard removed the blacklisting, and Alliance players had to contend with the general Horde population in Alterac Valley – those top-skilled Horde who had previously blacklisted it – the Alliance just lost. And they’ve lost ever since.
TLDR: The Horde lost because of the blacklisting feature. That kept their best players away from Alterac Valley and Isle of Conquest. The Alliance enjoyed some nice win-rates as a result.
Once the blacklisting was gone, Horde has proceeded to dominate both those battlegrounds, like all the other.
I would wager that the Horde population has more alts with fancy legendaries and upgraded heirloom items than the Alliance population.
That’s usually the kind of stuff a hardcore veteran has in his character collection. It’s not what the casual newbie has aplenty. And the Horde has more hardcore veteran players, whereas the Alliance has more casual newbies.
So yeah, that gear advantage is likely there. Quite likely in fact.
The blacklisting feature alongside the botting epidemic is what enabled it to spiral out of control yeah, but the REASON why people originally started blacklisting it was because of said attitude.
It was a months long process in going from 50/50 to having no legit players in AV. 40mans had, and still has, it’s fans on horde, but the prevalence of useless people queing made it all but impossible for even those people to continue playing.
By Legion AV had p much completely recovered from the dip that had happened, even though the layout had not changed, and all the ‘disadvantages’ that horde players liked to moan about were still alive and well.
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Just like now, the attitude comboed with the ability to just afk a bunch of exp is the biggest reason for the bad win ratio.
You could conflate the prevalence of afkers to botters and blacklisting, since it effectively rewards people with levels for doing absolutely nothing, and everyone wanting to do that will flock to alliance from both sides since you can hide at the bunker and the queues are so much shorter.
Oh please…
Loved your two posts and telling these people how things really are, even if they do not want to acknowledge it. And would go as far to ignore a thorough post laying out the facts. It’s disappointing to see people who are so biased that they won’t even listen to another person’s opinion.
Don’t worry, s/he acts that way with anyone who puts up information or views which challenges their perspective.
They use negativity and acting offended to try shut down a conversation they are not equipped to deal with or mature enough to deal with.
Keep up the good posts around here and ignore the obvi trolls.
? I didn’t even disagree with him on the topic of faction imbalance.
If anything, him saying that “alliance doesn’t have capable players doing AV because theyve all flocked to horde” is proponent to the idea of the problem being in the people queing as alliance, NOT on the map itself.
That doesn’t go just for me, ain’t no one here saying that alliance has the same amount of players in general or more pertinently that they have the same volume of endgame focused players.
But the difference between then and now, is that back then when the blacklisting was gone and all the hardcore, top-tier Horde players got into AV, they began winning. They had the skill, the experience, the gear, and the discipline to turn it around. That was the inevitable outcome, because they were the faction with the best of the best in every field. Alliance holding onto AV for any period of length was an anomaly. When they got obliterated everywhere else to the superior Horde, then that should obviously also apply to AV. And eventually it did.
What the Alliance is having to deal with today is different. They don’t have an out.
They can’t wait for their hardcore, top-tier players to step up and participate and turn the losses into wins. Because there aren’t any hardcore, top-tier Alliance players left. They’re all playing on the Horde side now.
For all intents and purposes, as others have previously remarked, then the Alliance fought the best it could in the first days of this event, and it quickly became clear to all that when the Horde flexed its muscles, then the Alliance got squashed. And attitude or not, there is no way to overcome that. Despair is a natural reaction.