Hunter rework

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It wont be broken at all. S tier classes like warr, ret, dh, rogue and lock will still be much better than MM rework. And dont let me mention frost mage its a god spec that makes the life of all melees miserable, then they come here and cry because they cant compete with MM. I have zero symphaty for them.

All of those I listed will still be far more superior than MM in next expansion. MM will still have the same issues, more precisely defensive wise and mobility wise. Its not cool to have 1 disengage while melees have 5 gap closers and mages 10 blinks. They all have self heals which hunter lacks. They have great mobility while hunter have a depressing disengage with only 1 charge. They have absorbs and utility which hunter also lacks. So how can you say this stuff?

We all know MM is in a very bad state. The rework will just help the spec and uplift it to a normal state as it should be to compete with other specs which at the moment it cant.

I know the rework may sound broken for you but it wont. It feels its broken because MM has been bad for a long time thats why it feels broken because your not used to have the same powers as other specs and thus you believe it will be powerful. It wont. It will be completely normal and finally MM can compete with other classes.

Imagine if you were on a wheelchair for nearly decade and suddenly you can walk again? Yes of course you will be shocked and feel ‘broken’ and powerful but reality is its completely normal to walk like other people. :laughing:
The same rule applies to MM.

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??? its literally super strong right now wtf.

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You linked the solo bracket where the game is not balanced around. You wish :clown_face:
Anyways you proved I was right. DH, rog, war, ret, dk, monk and boomer is still above MM in solo bracket. MM the 11th spec. Thats still bottom not even middle pack.

Now let me show you the real PvP bracket where MM flops against real coordinated teams.

checkpvp= 3v3rating=2400

Its the 18th spec represented in 3v3 which is bottom. All 3 hunter specs are bottom garbage. We may have the DMG but thats it, we do not have self heals, defensives and mobility to outlive the other specs.

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We will see what the tuning will look like.

You don’t need 2 disengage if you have enough tools to create distance.

In TWW we will be able to have Scatter, Binding, Explosive, Tar trap and Intimidation all at once.

Combined with Diamond ice (which is often picked vs double melee because going for a trap on healer in those matchups is borderline suicide) are plenty of tools to create distance. And if our damage is tuned high, we can still create counter pressure.

I think you are advocating for a wrong thing, I think MM"s worst counter is disarm, but the sad fact is the specs we struggle vs have access to them (war, rogue) and ww is literally punishing MM for proper kiting with a ranged disarm.

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All I see lately MM even do not kite away anymore just stand still and cast. Cant blame them, against double melee its almost impossible to gain distance.

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I doubt this is true vs melee.

It may happen vs ranged.

Like, MM is solid RN, but you are acting like two 12.5 % buffs elevated it to some god status, while Sniper Shot has been obliterated out of usage at the same time.

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its the most active bracket by far. Why should MM be good in shuffle but terrible in 3s?

There are just very few boomies more than MM above 2400+ and boomy is insanely good.

11th out of 30+ spec is bottom? :clown_face: Then is boomy at 10th place also bottom tier in shuffle? Good to know that im making a bottom tier spec work. Wow.

devestation and windwalker has same representation and they are both really strong in 3s with the right combs. You just have to find the right combs.

Game is really balanced in 3s right now. Even ele is fine and they are really bottom tier in terms of representation in 3s.

Its a skill issue and no changes will make you climb rating unless you accept that you are the reason for your lack of success and not your spec.

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I gave up on it…on my MM i got 2.4 in 3x less games. On ele I am pingponging between 2.1 and 2.3k.

On MM I died a lot more, but killed a lot more aswell. MM damage is harder to recover from and 1 good trap can snowball the game.

On ele I tryhard a lot more, trying to keep max pve while purging, hexing interrupting…but thw damage just never kills off untio max damp…it has become exhausting…

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ye ele in shuffle feels rough this season too for me. I made it up to 2480 or something but it felt alot harder than previous seasons. I just dont understand how to carry high rated lobbys other than spamming dmg…

some ele make it work at 2800+ so it should be possible somehow.

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Vs DH, Ret and Hpriest i feel like 70% of my time is reapplying Flame Shock. Overall dps is solid but it feels like pad, but unlike Boomy, no clone to create heavy pressure.

Luckly almost all self dispels are going away in TWW and Revival is getting nerfed too, but unforch shamans on beta had literally zero changes, the hero trees are a mess and in this moment, the spec feels borderline unplayable.

Just to illustrate, Tempest (main Stormbringer ability) is being macro /cancel because it is a dps loss and as for Farseer, the ghosts are so dumb that they can only hardcast LvB, so if you pop Primordial and spam LvB on the move, they just move with you but dont do anything.

It is abysmall.

4 set bonus is literally carrying ele RN and it will be gone soon.

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When players like me that have mained MM for over a decade cant get even 1.8k is the biggest proof that MM is bad and needs a good rework and also big buffs.

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major skill issue

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Nah there is no way you are this delusional :clown_face:

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Mages made me quit arena

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We already have all of those at once. Only difference is that we are getting 2x stuns but for what does it help? Look, both are garbage stuns shortest stun in the game 3 sec and also longest CD 1 min. If we use both stuns on someone the second stun will be 1.5sec. Come on tell me how can we make distance for 1.5sec? Our stuns need a redesign it has to work like a rogs kidney 5 sec and on 30 sec baseline. Or 5 sec 1 min CD but each time you rapid fire or aimed shot it shortens our stuns, traps, scooter and bursting shot with 5 sec.

And also I think I saw somewhere on wowhead that they put bursting shot on choice node with scooter which is very sad. We lose it so it will be unbearable against melees and we cant make distance. I really wish we had 10 charge of disengage like mage has 10 blinks. How unfair the world is. And also rogue is getting 4 shadowsteps from 2 its a direct result of mages having too many blinks so the mobility race is occuring while hunters are left with 1 freaking disengage and you say its okey. Dude Get Your Brain on Right Track and tell yourself everyday we need atleast 5-10 disengages to keep up with warriors, dh, monk, rog and mage.

90% of hunter playerbase dont know how to stand up for themself and is okay with getting bullied daily. If you dont ask for more, which we deserve (mobility, selfheals etc) you’ll be forgotten in the dirt! And then its too late! Look at hunter forum EU and US finally people are asking for stuff but its too late! I have been telling this in hunter forums for years and no one cared but now they started to realize hunter has been spat on since BfA and many threads about this issue has been brought up this year.

How is hunter supposed to outlive other specs in 3v3 when they have only some pesky DMG but nothing else to offer! And others have not only dmg BUT mobility, self heals, can attack through defenses which we cant and much more! Now look all hunter specs are bottom in 3v3 because of it. I do not care about 2v2 or solo statistics, you dont get ANYTHING from there beside a boring title which disappears when season ends. I want hunter to be viable in 3v3 where we can get real rewards like gladiator mount. I dont want us to sweat 10 times more than other classes to get to 2.4k. You can clearly see from twitch streamers there is never a hunter (all specs) in 3v3. Hunter is non existent. It cant avoid dmg because other classes have too many gaps and we have few. It cant survive incoming dmg from 2 dps enemy players in 3v3. 2 enemy players have a combined 7-10 gap closers compared to us. Its too much and 1 disengage is so delusional. Actually its very stupid of me to ask for 2 disengages because at the moment we need like 5 charges.

Anyways I wish you good luck in a few months against rog with 4 shadowsteps and you with 1 disengage, explosive trap that is bugged 50% of time and bursting shot that never goes off! :laughing:

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It’s indeed very difficult to get to 1800 with 0 games played this season :laughing:

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I have already played this season but for some reason its not updating. Season 4 is almost identical to Season 3 which means the 400 2v2 games I have played still counts at present.

Anyways I only play normal BGs and nothing else for now. I am still in green gear and trying as hard as I can to get all conquest gear but with lousy 15 conquest for a BG win is awful. It is very time consuming and slow gearing progress. The next expansion is arriving in 2 months and I hope I can make it in time.

I will sign up for 3v3 to get Gladiator when I have full gear. Perhaps I can get Gladiator and my dream will become reality for the first time.

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I would take current MM tree over so-called rework. MM haters, fake hunter mains and Pollyannas will be mad at me but someone must speak the facts.

What have you lost?

1-) Historical change of Winrunner’s Guidance:

Aimed Shot 12% chance to grants Trueshot for 10 seconds.

Aimed Shot 12% chance to grants Trueshot for 6 seconds. (after nerf)

Aimed Shot reduces Rapid Fire’s cd by 2 seconds, every 2 Aimed Shots increase duration of next Trueshot for seconds, up to 10 seconds. (current)

They will remove it in TWW.

2-) Current Legacy of the Windrunners grants 1 charge of Aimed Shot and generate 30 Focus after casting Aimed Shot 6 times. Also it will be removed.

3-) Lone Wolf will be nerfed by 50%.

4-) Deadeye talent (2 charges of Kill Shot and 3 sec cd reduction) will be removed. (I don’t play beta so if it will be base ability please correct me)

What is new?

1-) Reworked Wailing Arrow tree. In short, if you cast 10 Aimed Shots, your next Aimed Short becomes Wailing Arrow and resets the cd of Rapid Fire and generates 2 charges of Aimed Shot.

Also Trueshot grants Wailing Arrow. I can’t find any logic in this. Trueshot already reduces cd of Aimed Shot and Rapid Fire by %70 so this is a clearly intersection. I find it perfunctory.

2-) Rapid Fire Barrage could have be the best change. But not after 1 minute cd and 60 Focus cost.

When it comes to Hunter tree, Survival of the Fittest change is good but that is all. Because you can’t benefit from most of them since number of talent points are not enough and distribution of talents are unfavorable in the tree.

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i Dont know about that, my Jungle Hunter mate have allot of Fun on his MM hunter

Bm hunt currently is a Troll and Bad spec, but MM is probably the best Hunter spec in the meta currently (maybe sv is in shuffle better, but in 3s mm is way better)

Jungle mm, Dk mm, Php mm, i have even seen a Deva Evoker MM team in 3s on 2370 MMR

and the Hunter survivability Changes for Tww are Great!

First of all, they Should change how binding shot works, it should be a root again, or give a choice node, where u can decide between a stun, or root.

No, Warrior, Outlaw Rogue and Dh gap closers Should be Nerfed, and Mage mobility aswell.

Cuz they Play with an Dk, or Ret pala what have allot of Peel. if they Change Feral and make him a Sustain support again, u also will see More Jungles.

The meta is just not for Hunters, they already Need the Tww Change in Df, but idk for what reason Blizz waited for so long

The easiest way to Get Glad is with an Good Ret, i have seen a 2k mm Hunter what Bought from 2 r1 Guys selfplay boost, (i dont tell the name) he is 2.3+ Now

if u want to Climb as a Hunter, Just Look For a Priest/ Ret it´s the safest way, and also most forgiving Comp for hunter

i wouldnt recommend Jungle, or Shadow Hunter

Dk can also work but idk, i feel Dk is better with an Bm

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