I am going to camp every boosted 58 I see until they quit

Agreed. And if Blizzard did a better job, the botters would be banned. These ‘factories’ will also have no issue paying a Chinese guy 10 dollars to level a character to 70, regardless of boosts being a thing. A bit of extra delay in the process is almost meaningless to them long term.

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A bot makes 30-50 USD in a day, average. 2 weeks of levelling is a net loss of 520-700 USD of net loss for a bot company. Let’s say after 2 months this bot gets banned. Then they lose another 520-700 USD worth of value levelling another bot. This is the only factor that holds a lot of people away from botting.
Now they can instantly start botting paying a marginally lower price. It’s not meaningless, it’s extremely convenient and many times more lucrative to bot when there’s a paid boost.
And we also know for a fact that Blizzard can’t do a better job dealing with bots. They need to invest into paying GMs wages, which they don’t want to. So if you consider how they can’t even combat with botters right now, imagine how they will “deal with” bots when paid boosts are there.

Exactly. We also see how many brainless morons with no arguments only resort to ad hominem attacks to people that are discussing in a civil manner. These “kids” are nothing but annoying pests.

Immagine having more ppl to play with. What a shame.

Playing with more people is good, but without destroying the integrity and core principles of the game.

Also, playing with long-standing players is the actual goal, not the tourists. Because first few months of TBCC will be a massive lag fiesta with multiple layers, 20k+ queues and server crashes anyway, like classic launch. There will be way too many players playing first few months. What is needed is the players that stay playing after the hype is over, and someone who can’t even level a character on his own and be patient for 2 weeks is less likely the person that will keep playing after 6 months.

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I guess your talking about this so called journey?
Sorry, Boost doesn’t destroy anything but your sensation of entitlement.

Guesswork and hearsay and nothing else.
Someone who pay 60 bucks ( for arguments sake ) are more likely to keep playing after invested hard cash to their character.

Boost may bring revenues to Blizzard which they can put into further development into the game, that being Retail or the Classic series. Which is good in all possible ways.
Boost have not been removed from retail, thereby one can only assume that it’s been a huge success for Blizzard.

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As Kevin Jordan has explained numerous times, an MMORPG is built upon the premise that everything you have in the game is earned within the game, not by your real life status, money or priviledges. When you see someone that is level 60 and think “did he buy a boost or level himself?” you kill the spirit of the game.

I’m not entitled to anything because I levelled all my characters myself and earned what I have. Entitlement’s definition in cambridge dictionary:

[ U ] disapproving * the feeling that you have the right to do or have what you want without having to work for it or desire it, just because of who you are*
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/entitlement

You are the one(s) being entitled to having a level 58 character without working for it, and it’s very funny how you twist that around and call me(us) for being entitled. Learn the meaning of the word if you want to talk smack.

In the best possible scenario you are being very naive. Boost revenues are mostly being spent for the new limousine of Bobby Kotick.

Yeah, retail is a massive success for sure, being at the historical lowest subscription numbers in BfA and even after the launch of SL now most people are quitting the game again. A simple question: why don’t you go back to retail and boost all you want there?
It has also other great game systems for you: pet battles, garrisons, follower missions, island expeditions, cash shop, cash shop mounts, all sorts of paid services.

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Thats not what I said either: I said one can only assume that “boost” have been a huge success for Blizzard.

Nice try tho.

I also like how you cherrypick the meaning of Entitlement to fit your narrative. But that’s fine.

You can pick my statements apart all you want. I’m still able to find positives in boosting, tho I can see the negative effects it might have in the early stages of a launch.
Will it be a total destruction like mention here on the forum?
Absolutley not.

When everyone is 70 and decked in purples there is hard to tell the difference of a boosted player and one that did the “journey”.

Boosting is the reason for this? Really? :man_facepalming:

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How can one only assume that? I assume it was a terrible decision for the game and the community and its one of the reasons why retail didn’t feel like an MMO anymore.

I always try my best.

You used the word that describes your behavior against me, it’s really both petty and sad at the same time.

You can find positives in boosting but you still haven’t been able to mention one.

Nothing can bring a “total destruction” of the game, but all these bad changes take a lot of the spirit of the game away.

It depends on the player, yet I don’t know how this is relevant. We are talking about the effects of boosting on the community and economy.

It is one of the reasons, not the only one. But since there are a lot of parallels in the timeline of boosting being implemented in retail and it being a more empty game, you can’t also prove that it’s not one of the factors.

I’m kinda feeling sorry for you here that you are being roasted but instead of babbling and not being able to reply to my points, maybe you should spend some time thinking and trying to find the positives of boosting.

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Could it be that I find it amusing that your working so hard to try and convince me?

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You can’t be convinced, you are thick as a brick.

I’m just trying for the other people that are reading.

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There we go again with the ‘if you don’t agree with me, I’ll just insult you’…

Thought you were trying to have a civil conversation.

Will boosts have a effect? Maybe and if so, they will be short-lived. We don’t even know how they will be implemented yet. What if they’re only available in the prepatch timeframe, when people have to make the choice between Classic or TBC, the boosts wouldn’t break much of anything then and would just mean people can jump straight in with their friends.

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Nice retail cow, I like the smiley face :cow:

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I would say it is quite risky to invite people to a guild for a raiding team for example who just boosted their first char with this new thing. If they did not level from 1 to 58 I am not quite sure if they would even stay in tbc and not just go back to retail after 1 or 2 weeks.

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That’s why guilds implement trial periods. Most classes change quite significantly with the TBC transition too, so you’d be relearning things on the journey to 70 (which, unlike modern expansions, will still take a significant amount of time from level 60). People starting at 58 can still be very competent players…

Player fall off will be no different with Classic TBC than it has been for any other expansion since Wrath. Some will stay, some will go. Many modern gamers just don’t have the attention span to play an MMO for the long haul.

No I can’t, because I don’t share your overwhelming doom an gloom mentality.
You seem to be set on that Boost will only bring destruction to the game and I dont share that sentiment.

Many if not all of your arguments are guesswork of what might happend and I dont understand the mentality on why you think you or others have the right do dictate how others should chose to play the game or how they chose to enter the game, either through a leveling process or a skip to reach the TBC journey.

Boosting is an option for a price and a hefty one at that, but if it brings in new players, or returning ones then that is a good thing overall.
It’s those players choice wheter they keep on playing or not.

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You can’t because you don’t have the capacity/judgement or knowledge to understand the consequences of boosting.

God, this is so hard. When we are talking about something that will happen IN THE FUTURE, we will obviously make assumptions. What I’m doing is putting logical estimations, based on facts and logic. What you are doing is “dun wurry its gun be fine”, which has absolutely no basis. We have made our estimations about the outcomes of boosting, and found 8-9 very harmful possible outcomes and there is a lot of threads where we argumented these in detail, such as:

Not only that we have argumented on logical bases why this will be bad for the game, we have also a huge amount of experience with all this shizzle. Do you know when paid character boosts were introduced into the game? Patch 6.0.4. You know when? Warlords of Draenor release. I was in these forums when that happened. I argued with hundreds of boost advocates like you. I saw the same arguments thousands of times when they added boosts, LFR, cash shop, every single time. Every time this same sentence was written do defend these things. “you can’t dictate how others play the game”. Thousands of times.
We are simply saying that an online game can’t live long and healthy when your real life wallet is the determining factor in a game.

And guess what? Every expansion after paid character boosts, has been smoking pieces of garbage. WoD, Legion, BfA and now shadowlands. I just recently red 2 articles on PCgamer and kotaku saying how boring it was to play after being boosted and they felt no enjoyment and quit the game after 1 week.

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2020/01/world-of-warcraft-battle-for-azeroth-pc-level-boost/

I saw the SuperData report and today Bellular’s video talking about how shadowlands revenues dropped by 41% and sub numbers plummeted by 69% in 2 months after the release.

And nowadays on every gaming magazine they call World of Warcraft as a “tourist ballpark MMO where you will enjoy for 2 weeks for sure”. I started classic after quitting retail only because it was classic and had no boosts, cash shop etc.

Now you boys will come here and make it all the same. It’s inevitable that this plague will spread to classic but I want to tell my part before eventually quitting it.

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Sigh…

I guess we will have to wait and see if your Doomsday prophecy will come true or not.

I know my boosted char will be 70 before most alliance will hit 70, Horde outnumbers allies and will control all zones. Level 61 gives honor as a 70, so we will be swooping down on our epic flyers and destroying all allies. Their lucky if they can enter karazhan when P2 hits

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until they will camp you so hard that the server will crash

You need the gold to buy epic flying