Wow also has many of those and i guess they could add small quotes where there are missing.
Then all the mechanics can stay but you will need more time between the queue and the activation of the mechanic since DBM timers tell you before it even starts, as Azriil stated.
I dont think that boss mods make everything trivial as I explained, they make SOME things trivial (20% or so?) and overtake another 30% or so. And yes I don’t remember which boss in legion but DBM did tell me to go to places and showed direction.
Let me explain by words, lets say Isshin the last boss of Sekiro it has many abilities but I will explain some:
- There is a gun clicking sound and because of that you know that he will shoot pistols at you, so you have to run away.
- He starts gathering wind in a particular way, so you know you have to jump when it is about to release.
- He shouts out your name when he is about to release another attack, which should be parried.
And every mechanic that he has, has its own que within the game, which makes total sense.
However in wow developers don’t get bothered to put these kind of details in the game because DBM will take care of it either way.
And this is whole another issue. If developer would bother and do things differently, I might have different opinion. There are many cues Blizzard has added to boss fights - we cannot say they have not. We ought to give credit where due.
I do believe that you can do LFR-HC without boss mods. Blizzard has added enough details. Bosses do yell (in sound), bosses do emote (with animations) however I do feel that bossmod allows blizzard add that extra to mythic raids.
I do not disagree that bossmods add simplicity to some aspects - namely easier the content, more impact boss mod has in terms of making actions more automated. BUT it does not work same way in mythic raids, where boss mods add developer an ability to make mechanics more punishing. Forcing players to be more cautious, wary and with added difficulty can push players to closer to the limit.
I hope my wording makes sense. It is two sides of same coin.
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It does and you make perfectly viable points. There are many cues indeed but they are overshadowed by DBM and Weakauras and mods like that and then there are cues that were never added because of the reason that I stated. If the problem has risen from the badly designed raids or from dbm and such mods doesn’t matter now.
Forget the past in that terms and think of the future and what kind of raids do you want to see in the future and why. Personally I want all raids to be shining no matter the difficulty without those addons, for them to require the same skill and be of the same difficulty. I think it will be done by removal of those addons which will literally force the devs to come up with new Ideas.
The raids design wise are good, and I think that instead of blizzard simply making them simpler (like ragnaros) they will come up with ideas to make them more beautiful but to require the same skill. The difference in our opinions I think comes from the faith in blizzard team on how they will handle the problem.
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And my dear forum friend, …
I do not trust Buzzard-team at all. I have seen them butcher things that worked perfectly and I have seen them hire Christie Golden. Less they go break things that least seem to work, more at ease I am.
But true - I do not trust them at all. They are capable company, but they also at times are Darwin award level of stupid.
Out of all things Blizzard has mucked up in warcraft one thing I have always been enjoying are raids and when they go change raids … I … I … get creeps and chills. I am not prepared for that! (says it in illidan voice!)
Do you enjoy current raids that much? I stopped bfa in about 2 weeks, disappointed by many things. Why don’t you do the same? (prbl because the pleasure/fun you get from those raids is worth the sub rate for you duh).
Yes the WC universe I loved is getting ruined more and more by each expansion and I’m looking forward to Reforged more than the next expo. However I still think that raids and dungeons are the ONLY thing that their team is good at content wise (I love artsyle as well), so I think and hope that they will get it right.
Funny they write all those topics from their classic chars 
dont wanna to be inspected huh?
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DBM should have been banned the first time i think around Wrath PTR same as with weak auras.But i also think by that sense LFR should not be in the game.
It just made huge unnecessary gaps and designing raids with the addons in mind.
The difficulty is kinda artifical when you look at it.The mechanics are not there in LFR,but in MYthic with the addons you really didnt do also that mutch,all you had to do is dl the addon and c/p your weak auras and you are set…just move a bit faster.It worked back in tbc,wrath even (good chunk of people in wrath didnt use the addon and they raided).
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DBM makes it more unfun?
What about Mouseover macros, more convenient UIs, clique, vudho and healbot (even has some sort of auto-pick ability function ><)?
Yes, DBM does show a great deal of useful information, but even that information is hard for joe average to comprehend without having a RL shouting out on discord when to run.
Wait, block the use of Discord / voice coms! Listening to someone shouting your name when and what you should do is exactly the same if not even worse. This is even used by guilds as Limit (leader stepped out of the raid to ONLY guide them for a try or a bunch).
Removing any “convenience” will only mean that the content will become more simplified, it’s an inevitable consequence.
Look at a simple boss as the last one in Maw of Souls, how easy was it to see where he was aiming at? Extremely. Yet half the casuals died to it once it became deadly (M+). Didn’t need DBM for it, just a pair of eyes.
Heck, after a try or 15 you should know what’s happening and when. Then DBM is purely used as reminder for when you forgot something, which is quite normal since we are still human.
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Yes by DBM I meant basically all the addons you listed. Imo only addons that involve UI should be left.
Here have a filed day,i’ve been raiding in this game well before curve was a thing,and did a bit of it in Wod and legion.By that same sense i could call you out that your curves are suspicious regarding the dates.You must be the MVC in the Gallywix community.
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You might find it “unfun”, but plenty of people find the raids more fun with it. They can learn to adapt quicker, not annoy the people they are raiding with and just generally play along more competently.
Even with DBM, people still wipe and ignore the deadly circles etc on the floor.
I disabled it, i honestly dont see the point of it, wow isn’t THAT hard
Only like 1% does mythic anyways … so obviously not, who would want to mental torture themselves like that?
I’m not using any wow add-ons. What am I doing wrong? Simple. Just don’t use it.
What a pointless, troll forum thread. Forgot its the weekend, the classic content has always been trivial and DBM is mostly there to keep monkeys in line and even then it doesn’t dictate a great deal as DBM cant solo carry you especially through something like EP Azshara where the fight caters to having weak auras instead of DBM with the mechanics of having to group, spread etc.
TL:DR It holds your hand but expects you to know how to drive anyway.
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Personally I think DBM and other such mods just makes raids more overly complicated.
Not difficult, just overly complicated.
It’d be like if you were given 100 buttons but automatic pilot handles 90 of them, and you’re left to press 10. Before automatic pilot existed you used to press 10 anyway.
The only difference now is that it looks all “pro” when your automatic pilot presses all the buttons and lights up but you take all the credit.
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It’s the reason why I don’t have it. I tried it, recently, and it spoils everything. Honestly if you fail in raiding with that addon than you’re just really bad. I think all addons should be removed, it’s just terrible anyway. Needing addons to play a game, anyway for heroic I see no need for DBM, just use brain.
There’s a site called warcraftlogs u may try to check it,btw checked ur logs and u were “raiding” only if consider buying boost as that,0 on ghun?
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