I think that DBM has to go

But it hasn’t been I understand what you are saying but blizzard are cracking down a lot on data mining and even on PTR not all mechanics are shown during the testing and not all content is shown either that’s why they have there own team testing alongside players.

Haven’t used DBM for years.

Blizz are very good at putting audio and visual queues into the encounters.
There really is no need for it now.

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TBH with so much going on the screen I cant see much of it due to poor eyesight but dbm with its sounds are a godsend tbh as the ingame audios wouldn’t be enough .
I can still do 10s but my eyesight over the last 18 to 19 months has had a rapid decline .

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I use DBM all the time, but I actually agree. I think encounters are indeed tuned to assume there will be a DBM or other relevant mod on the player’s install, such that it is no longer about what you can sanely see in-game.

Azshara’s decrees for example. Do you even get an in-game whisper telling you what they are? Or do you get cryptic icons that you have to mouseover and learn after multiple failures?

I didn’t appreciate the usefulness this addon could be to poor eyesight sufferers.
Fair comment, it should stay.

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Voluntarily support - many fan sites do that. Since online advertising really does not work any more due to add-blocks etc, they have to add features to gain some support.

I have checked my RIO - due to topics here, when someone linked their profile, so went to check mine, and I cannot complain, my statistics were updated quite swiftly between me posting in that topic and doing in-game runs.

Thats a good reason why Blizzard should do more, its a poor practice for them to ignore the needs of some of their player base and leave it for addon creaters to fill.

Addons should be about adding flavour to the game rather then filling the holes that Blizzard ignored.

It’s more enjoyable because you can actually see the game instead of having 50% of your view obstructed. The only raid related addon I use is a dps meter so i know how I’m doing relative to the rest of the raid.
But I raid only 2 times a month and i don’t have Cutting Edge so, according to the several pros here, that makes any argument I make invalid and i should go back to Classic.

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Decrees mechanic genuinely surprised me - in sense you do not have too much time to react to those. Some combos can be relatively complex to coordinate in the heat of the battle (no-move-stack for example, so not only you have to figure out you have it, you must call for help and be too slow you start draining healer mana rapidly) and game offers you no cues whatsoever.

I actually asked this on 1st raid there that “how am I supposed to figure this out in time” and now I have weakaura writing me : no move/stack and I can then immediately yell out for someone to assist me. yes, players can use bossmods says too - but without any mods, any assist. I want to see 20+ people have fun in there.

Yes you have visual effects around you to stack/no stack, but then its not as simple. You also have things like soak and no soak, movement etc etc.

This is example of Blizzard indeed presuming everyone uses mods. Even on HC.

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Actually I applaud Blizz for allowing addons such as this to exist to help the community.

There may be instances where they haven’t identified a need for a certain feature as it has already been solved within an addon that has filled the need.
Such as above, I didn’t realise a need for DBM for the hard of sight.
I was only looking at it from my own perspective.

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Exactly this. We shouldn’t require an addon to decode a situation that is too hard for a human to parse; we should just ban the addon and make encounters that a normal brain can deal with.

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As i said on a previous post - i believe designs should be add-on free (presuming no addons used by player) on up to HC, but should be requirement on mythic - which i also explained due to boss mods allowing mythic timers and abilities and overlaps be tighter and shorter.

I love (even when I suck !) mythic raiding and I love the ballet. I love how game tells me abiliy X, Y, Z coming and you have now exactly seconds to react. I love it. But game mechanics in HC generally give you enough time to see what you have, time to react, time to do things. That decrees is one example where in hc game does not give you enough time to decode the abilities without debuff starting to tick.

Yeah that’s how I’ve been feeling in the short time that I’ve been doing it, its pretty freeing to not have to be constantly checking random parts of the screen for information or waiting for the next alert to tell me what to do.

Yeah but the point is that they shouldn’t be falling short and neglecting people’s needs and leaving it as a problem for addon creators to solve. Its the game designers role to make this game more accessible and not that of an addon creator, accessibility should not be an optional extra found outside of the game.

What if addon creators stopped creating these addons and there weren’t adequate replacements available? You’re now left in a position where those with disabilities are given a more difficult experience which could be prevented if Blizzard pulled their fingers out in the first place.

When content/encounters are created they should be looking at it with the view of “Can everyone engage with this how we’ve made it” and not “Is this good enough to release” without any due diligence being taken to ensure that those with disabilites can play the content at the same level as other players who don’t have disabilities.

DBM tells you a lot, but you have still to play yourself and watch out for dangerous moments.

They have actually and I think by mistake broke some addons that used to help me and others for example

But [Lilian] finally got 2 or 3 blues to respond in different sections of the forums so hopefully things will change for the better in some cases .

The broken addons are something I can’t relate too as I don’t have a disability that can affect my time spent on this game. However I still stand by the fact that they need to do more themselves and do it ASAP rather than wait for addon creators to implement this.

I remember reading this thread and I agree that it needs to be part of the core game.

The problem with Blues responding is it is mainly replies which are either lip service or “go here and report it as an issue”. They should be actively taking good ideas like that and reporting it to the business themselves rather than opting that you do it instead.

When I worked with customers and I faced situations where I’d either seen or heard disabled people having difficulties I always reported it back to the company and suggested changes, going past my manager and further up the line of command in order to make myself heard. Never was my response to those customsers along the lines of “you need to do the hard work and tell the company yourself”, I find that way of dealing with these issues incredibly disrespectful.

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Ruining the game since vanilla

At some point they will have to break WeakAura, DBM and BigWigs, because you can’t increase boss difficulty infinitely. Do they want to design a boss with 40 ability because all raiders use DBM that Simon-say when they have to do something ?

All bossmod addons should go.

Not only does it artificially increase the skillgap of a new and experienced player but it also makes blizzard tune raids with those addons in mind making them frustratingly hard.

Also while were at it we should delete all those sh*tty CD addons for pvp aswell. Omnibar, nameplatecooldowns, GladiatorlosSA etc are all terrible and put u on a massive disadvantage if u dont use them.
I cant think of a single other multiplayer game which would let u use addons with similar features such as these.

You can always uninstall the addon.