ROFL, bot!
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You guys have absolutely no idea what p2w means. For example EVE online is a game with tokens and no soulbound items. You can literally buy a character, or skill points that took years to farm, then buy the biggest, meanest ship with the best equipment and go for a roam.
If you went to their forum and said “damn, this game is p2w”, the community would get a seizure from laughing at you. Then the devs would come there, and also laugh at you.
The WoW token allows me to grind some runes or whatever, and give them to the rich kid who in turn pays my sub.
WoW’s economy is absolutely garbage, but you guys are completely deluded to consider it p2w, and tokens to be a bad thing for WoW.
Anyways, have fun with this nonsense.
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I played this game and you have no idea what you are talking about. don’t compare EVE to wow, because EVE has the best economy in the world of online games and is a great game to play, but also it isn’t for everyone.
Oh, yes, we do, also we know what a bad game is, and especially, what a bad company is!!!
So I can go ahead, buy a few wow tokens, and then purchase mythic kills from the last boss from people, who then trade me the loot I want, while another player, who doesn’t pay, would have to do hardcore progression multiple nights a week to maybe kill the last boss after 1-2 months, if his guild doesn’t disband, and then he has to roll for the drops with the people getting the loot quitting afterwards. Wow is 100% very very pay2win, just not as extreme as certain mobile games.
I can also buy close-to-bis items with professions with gold, and also expensive BOEs. The only reason I play it despite it being p2w is that I just like the game, bc I’m a nerd -.-
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You could do this long before tokens. And you can do this in literally every MMO. Are you saying every multiplayer game is p2w?
Sure, as long as you can farm M 16+ or mythic raid bosses. In which case you’ll have plenty of gold to cover the 10k or whatever it costs to craft a bis item.
You guys are really grasping at straws to prove your failed points.
Not every other game pretends not to be…
Ff14 is definitely less pay2win, bc the content is way more accessible just for paying your sub, while in wow it’s kinda either playing extremely hardcore, or paying for boosts.
I think wow would become less pay2win, if way more people could clear mythic (easier content).
Also, all the content being in the cash store is a clear sign if pay2win aswell.
Do I hate p2w? Yes.
Do I accept p2w? Yes.
Could it be less p2w, or p2w in a more healthy way? Definitely.
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No, it’s you whos being deluded, and failing to understand what P2W means.
Your cherry-picked example of EVE community allegedly not agreeing that paying thousands of dollars for an in game ship isn’t P2W is flawed on at least three accounts.
- It’s obviously cherry-picked example with a niche sample of biased people, so their subjective opinion doesn’t serve as evidence for what P2W is or isn’t.
- It’s an allegation, not a fact. I’ve personally played EVE, and I know for a fact, that there are plenty of people in this game that openly call it a P2W game.
- Both developer and players profit from RMT, so obviously they won’t call it P2W.
The fact that you are hiding, and downplaying the evidence of what can be bought with token, is a clear sign that you are painfully loosing this argument.
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He or she works for Blizzard, don’t fall for that trap, they are here to keep the forum going, and arguing with those ppl, or in many cases bots is useless.
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More like clueless fanboy.
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Denial is a river in Egypt.
Macmilan dictionary and many others
in online gaming, the practice of buying in-game items that give a player a very big advantage over others
Blizzard T&Cs
Individuals and guilds selling items and profession services for gold is allowed but can only be advertised in-game through the Trade chat channel.
Individuals and guilds selling boost or assistance in raiding, dungeon, or PvP activities for gold is allowed but can only be advertised in-game through the Trade Services chat channel.
So, I can buy in-game PvP and PvE boosts for gold to carry me through Gladiator if necessary; I can buy all the mats that it will take you ‘x amount of hours’ to get them, and so on.
Oh, there it is finally, the FF comparison that this thread is about XD
I honestly can’t see any correlation. Mythic content is for people who WANT TO do mythic content for the sake of doing mythic content. How you managed to spin p2w into this, and why you think making it easier would make it less so is just…mind boggling.
Well, there’s dumb people even in the EVE community. And anyone who thinks money can buy them success in that game is welcome to prove it. Just make sure to record it so we can have a laugh when he gets rekt by someone who spent a fraction of money on it.
I just wanna point out that YOU guys made this thread and you’re all posting on low alts so nobody can see that you’re nowhere near a level of gameplay where this “p2w” thing would matter. < this message was sponsored by ActiBlizzard >
Just like you can in every multiplayer game ever made. If you consider it “winning” to have a title above your head, or some ilvl in your pocket, then sure mate. You won, congrats.
You seem to be missing the point. There is no doubt that it is a P2W situation. It is now up to the player to determine whether this is a good or a bad thing. Some people enjoy it, while others do not. That’s it. It’s not rocket science.
You don’t have to go on this journey to prove that it’s not. This even falls under Blizzard’s terms and conditions with their own jargon.
Exactly: Also, if you are a new player, you might not make enough gold to buy a mount and feel forced to buy a wow token. Or other weird mechanics regarding gold need to be fixed imo. Maybe repairs need to be a “tax”, that decreases, if you have low gold on your battlenet acc overall or something. Gold in wow is very messed up in my opinion.
Mate, if you want to pay some guild 40€ to get a floor POV of them killing a mythic boss and maybe passing you some items, go for it.
P2W is about player power compared to other players in a competitive setting. You’re not winning against anyone by attaining these rewards. You’re gaining an advantage that can also be gained without paying one cent.
And no, this isn’t like freemium or pay-to-progress korean garbage games where you either pay or spend half your adult life grinding.
This is such a horrible take I’m only quoting it so you can’t delete it 
Riding skill*. It’s like 10k gold
Competive Rank Leaderboard PvP Gladiator gold boosts:
am I a joke to you?
I mean, tbf - it’s quite easy to get 10k gold nowadays. It’s not like classic 
I did have more gold in classic vanilla (the new version) than in wow in the last 2 weeks before I bought a token