Is every server as bad as firemaw

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To clarify this:
The idea behind those BT boosts was to exploit noobs, by overcharching them on items we deemed worthless.

There were 3 epics that weren’t sold by any of the guilds, which offered these services. Not even by the best of the best:

  • Madness of the Betrayer (melee trinket)
  • Memento of Tyrande (healer trinket)
  • The Skull of Gul’dan (caster trinket)

The raiders would have gone mad, if their leaders sold these items. These where the only reason, why they still went into Black Temple each week. You couldn’t replace them in Sunwell. It’s the same situation, as with the trinket from Blackwing Lair.

And of course, there are the Warglaives of Azzinoth.
Once I jokingly asked Vanion, how much a pair of glaives would cost. And he jokingly replied: “If you give me a million Euros, I don’t care about my member going enrage and my account being banned.”

Also there were no (public) SWP boosts until the very end of the TBC lifecycle. They weren’t offered until WotLK prepatch. And only for the first 3 bosses.
Of course you could hire people for your private SWP boost. But that depended a lot on who you were and what you were willing to pay.

We had one customer in SWP:

  • former officer of the guild (top 100)
  • good recent logs
  • filthy rich AH broker so gold was 100% legit

He even transfered server for a month and took a break from the M’uru wipefest. He wanted the feral staff from Eredar Twins so badly. They were 2 ferals in his guilds and both were waiting for the staff. Meanwhile we were giving them to our resto druids for their 2nd gear.
He also took the opportunity to shop some things for 2nd gear at a discount. He paid 50k for the service. You’re a nobody? Double or maybe quadruple the price!

Depending on who you were, Kil’jaeden loot might have been possible too.
But the thing was: Almost all of these items were still in demand. Maybe the twohand sword.
If you were a VIP and had offered 50k to get the BiS weapon for your retri alt, probably a few of the top50 guilds would have been willing to help you out.

Important aspect.
When you farm herbs (for example) and put them into the AH, you have no control about who you sell to. Let’s be honest. We all had botted gold in our bags at some points. There is no way for us to know.
It’s on blizzard to crack this down. You name it.

I was knee deep involved in those BT boost. We all knew, that a huge chunk of that gold probably came from illegal sources. We weren’t delusional.
But the philosophy was: “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”
There was no way for us to check. If we would have declined every costumer were we weren’t 100% sure about the legitimacy of the gold (like with the example of the feral), we would have had almost no customers at all.

I remember one specific case, were we were 99% sure, that he was a gold buyer.
Kara geared retri paladin. He was extremely bad. Applied to -in Harmony- and got declined. Few months later he paid 50k to -iH- for full Hyjal / Black Temple gear (except trinket of course). Then he applied again for -iH-. They had a good laugh and rejected him again.
Then he applied for our guild and other top 100 guilds. We had a good laugh and he got declined. Probably the same for the older guilds. He ended up in a server 3rd guild on a small server.
That guy really thought he can buy his way to the top, lol.

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There is no “authentic experience” here and anyone who expected authentic experience has only been deluding themselves. Blizzard promised authentic servers. It’s debatable if they did a good job or not on that, but it is absolutely not possible to recreate the actual experience from a game that everyone has researched for the last 16 years.

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All these issues with Classic just show how poorly thought out it was in the end.
The broad strokes were great but when you look closer (or when u play the game 15 years after release) you realize just how poorly thought out many mechanics were (ie: class balance, group XP, BG map design, premade vs pug etc etc etc). There’s a quasi never ending list of flaws and dumb mechanics in this game.
Can’t wait for TBC.

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Perhaps, yet we need to remember that it was developed 20 years ago and stands strong today, despite all of this.
Anything, specially something community driven and dynamic as a MMORPG, would age bad after 20 years. Yet many still put more time in to Classic than many other modern games.

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Judgement, alliance has no boosting and no gbid runs but there is only one guild but it does raid :grin:

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There are a few bad parts that could have been fixed by Blizzard if they were worth a damn in 2020. Vanilla as a whole is brilliant, just a few flaws that are easy to fix.

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I can only speak for myself. I play on one of those servers and in one way accepting it, even tho I play with my “own rules” farming my gear, gold and so on. I would prefer a server with rules against this. People can always make the argument that “you don’t have to buy/sell anything, click off your worldbuffs, make your own ZG run without reserves” and so on. Thats true. But I’m sure if it was a server option were this was forbidden that could be a decent populated server.

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Just ignore every single booster, gbid runner and reserved kiddy.
Also if you want change you gotta start being active and make your own groups.
It takes time finding a tank and healer but soon people learn each other and keep inviting to grps.

My theory is these are retail or pserver players because things like this simply did not exist back in the day.

Now I will surely seek a medium pop server when TBC arrives as I don’t wanna play with filth.

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Nihilum was doing this way before sunwell/black temple
They were advertising ZA bears for 5k each even before everyone in there guild had one

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Retail is infested with these boosters as well.

I don’t remember it being such a prominent phenomena back in the day.

People have become better at beating the game and I feel like difficulty needs to be adjusted as the issue is first with the game itself and then the players.

People want easy stuff and will dish money on it. But when the boosters have problems selling then it becomes a significantly smaller problem to the community as a whole and a less widespread occurrence.

With retail and the introduction of M+ that’s A issue a lot harder to contain, as there’s multiple difficulties to go through and it’s only as much tuning as you can do before you make the content inaccessible to regular folks.

On Classic it can be adjusted easier.

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Yeah, bear sales were not that uncommon.
This was a thing, before BT boosts started.

Nihilum jumped in early on BT boosts, but a few german guilds were faster.
Maybe they did it, if you asked them. But they didn’t advertise it on their website. in Harmony were the very first who did this.

Order should be something like:
in Harmony → For the Horde → Affenjungs Inc → Nihilum

Maybe even more before Nihilum. It’s too long ago. I have a great memory for details, but sadly don’t remember everything.

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You think TBC will be different?
I wanna quote of my favorite TV series here, which sadly ended abruptly after just 6 seasons:
“If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.”

Blizzard has become lazy.
I’m pretty sure we will get patch 2.4.3:

  • M’uru, Entropius, Shadowsword Berserkers and Shadowsword Fury Mages have all had their health decreased.
  • Kil’jaeden Encounter
    Nether Protection will now correctly trigger from Kil’jaeden’s Shield Orb Shadow Bolts.
    Vanish now correctly wipes threat on Kil’jaeden.
    Sinister Reflections are now interruptible.
    Sinister Reflections on Hunters now use normal Wing Clip instead of Improved Wing Clip.
    Kil’jaeden will now wait slightly longer before casting Flame Darts after casting Darkness of a Thousand Souls.

Sorry, I’m not interested in that. Skipping 2.4 is not acceptable for me.

And even if they use 2.4 as a starting point, I’m not that much interested.
With all the nerfs the heroics will be a joke. Expect an AoE fest.

2.0 Heroics are interesting, because the mobs hit really hard on a tank. You need CC and coordination.
Mage is a no brainer, because pretty much every pack has either humanoids or beasts.
A hunter can juggle up to 3 mobs with specced ice trap and is an even better choice than a Mage. But 95% of all hunters will even struggle to keep 2 mobs under control.
Warlock can also be a good addition. Fear can be dangerous, so pulls are a bit more tricky with a warlock. But exiles shines in Underbog.

Warlocks will also be high on demand in 2.0 Karazhan.
Shade of Aran in his strongest iteration (he was buffed after 2 weeks or so) is the hardest boss in Karazhan. You will need 2 Warlocks to control the elementals. If you kill them, he resummons them quickly. So killing them is pretty pointless. If you ignore them, the healers can’t handle the pushback.
In 2.4 you just focus the elementals and they won’t respawn. Easymode.

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U know People just buy rank 14 right?
Bigger game than only raid.
Not that much bigger…but still

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That gear doesn’t help you one jack bit if you don’t know how to play.
Might be a huge thing on PvP relams. Don’t see any of it here.

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Servers are not bad. Blizzard is bad. Blizzard f***ed this game up.
I got forums ban while i was really polite, now in game silence for using word “retards”.
Blizzard is punishing players for nothing, like if we are in a kindergarten, but lets bot, who are earning thousands to play freely.
This is total disgrace to players, but Blizzard dont care.
Players will just complain, but still pay subscriptions so what.

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We only have 1 regular GDKP on Bloodfang I think. Quite a bit of boosting though.

Anyway it’s 2020 and the game isn’t the same. It’s sad, but still loads of fun, isn’t it?

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If you think so. Try after 2-3 hours of waiting for Av meeting russian premade. Fun af. These queue times reminds me private servers.

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No one forced you to play Horde.

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That was very stupid answer.

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So someone DID force you to play Horde?

@OP, didn’t you mean to post this on your rogue? I certainly recognise the name and writing style. Has it really been a few months since the last Azzul whine thread?

Edit: 28th August was your last post on Azzul. Guess it really has been a few months after all.