Not really, but when you put " around it, you don’t write abuse but the opposite of it, that’s how it is most places
No it’s not, censorship is when gonvernment are shotting your voice down, this is just impact for your own and others action - you can be mature and own your action and reflect or you can decide to blame other people.
The tool to help is also to get other people to help, it’s not that hard to understand.
And that is why I also talked about someone abusing the button, nevertheless it is a help, if you are being targetted with this by someone else, then the tool is there for you too - it is such a magnificent thing, that everyone is in their right to say I don’t like what is happening right now, help me
Not really either, this forum has it’s own set of rules, if I step over those rules then I have no place here - but if I still goes beyond how other feelings feel, then they are free to adress that by reporting me, I can without using the forbidden words still make you feel uneasy, and that is why we need some tools to help us.
That is the wonderful thing about this, if I overstep your boundaries but not overstep the TOS, then I am still the one in the wrong, you don’t like it and I need to reflect, so yes you can stop me from saying things that makes everyone uncomfortable - it’s being mindful of others
It’s when anyone is shutting your voice down, doesn’t have to be government.
Not when the “help me” translate to “get players removed from the game”.
That’s the exact opposite of “wonderful”.
Well now that’s a stretch, considering your previous sentence was about one person boudarie’s, and suddently it’s “everyone”.
It certainly doesn’t work that way, at all. We have every person stopping others from saying thing that makes only them unconfortable (for whatever reason), not a protection against the very few things that make everyone unconfortable.
You call that “wonderfull”, I call that a nightmare where, using the excuse of “protecting” people, we don’t have freedom of speech anymore.
The end result is what we have now: Nobody speaks.
Racism is a classic one for ‘oh it’s just bants’ and it’s actually someone being offensive. It was just an example. The community has at times been a bit of a cesspit and many welcome Blizzard’s attempts to clean it up.
As I said before, pick your audience, a close knit group of friends on discord is a far cry from interacting with random strangers.
I’m astounded that people can’t take responsibility for their own actions and seek to blame others.
Yeah, well, we’ll talk about it again when people supporting this kind of system will take responsability for the game’s social aspect being totally dead.
No I don’t call it “wonderful”, I actually call it wonderful because I consider this a good thing - see, your use of the " is what troubled me with your first sentence.
No, censorship is govenment. This is cultural, and this game seem to be undergoing a paradigm shift, and some have trouble when things are shifting, it always have.
It doesn’t translate to that, now you are twisting my words to suit your convenience.
If you have ever experince real harrasment ingame, then it isn’t always you can solve this yourself - the help me, is a help when you are out of possibilities yourself or when someone goes over the line in such a way you feel unconsfortable.
cherry picking much? And I didn’t write “everyone” because I didn’t mean noone, this is getting tiresome.
Really? I haven’t heard you are reporting to left and right, and I don’t report to left and right either, nor do I experince myself being reported - Still I consider the help and possibility to protect yourself a good thing.
What are you talking about, OP made a topic about it and a bunch wrote in this and the thread about if you have been banned wrote about this.
Most countries always have the freedom to talk within the boundaries of where they don’t hurt others - it’s not new.
“” is just a quote. I’m not sure what you are troubled about? It just means that I’m gonna react to the particular word you used.
Nop.
Even then, you could argue that this is Blizzard applying it at the end of day, which is basically the government of WoW.
Well that’s what the reports translate to when it comes to the actual consequences.
I actually have during college, which is exactly why seeing people speak about harrasment when talking about some random jokes on a video game chat pisses me off more than anything else.
No. You made a first sentence talking about things that would hurt one person, and a second sentence saying it’s normal to react to it because it hurts everyone.
It doesn’t.
Several people have been banned for basically nothing, the biggest drama was when Russians players massively reported people in the WotLK-Classic pre-patch, which is how we had the proof that the system was automated and could, actually, ban people who didn’t even write something.
About the ingame chats that have been so dead you wonder if there are still players in WoW.
That’s a lie. They have boundaries framed by their laws, hurting others cannot get you into any trouble unless what you said goes against the laws.
Not when you use it that way, then you twist it the opposite direction, what you really want to express becomes very blurred.
Yes it is.
I don’t argue this, Blizzard are applying a set of rules to this game, as they indeed do government this game.
They gave you and everyone the tools to help.
But how they choose to use those said tools are another problem.
What?
You value the payment more than the actual players? Good so does Blizz, that’s why they are so slow to help when it’s needed.
They don’t just remove players just because they can if that was cause this game would have shut down ages ago, the game itself reacts to reports, if you don’t agree you can appeal - again, how that process goes, is again questionable.
I wrote ingame harrassment, qoute me correctly before you feel harmed, and it seem like you haven’t experinced how servere online harrasment can become - some forumers have actually experinced it here based on their post.
Jebus halp me
Yeah, it’s nothing new, sometimes people are wrongfully banned because Blizz system think you are buying gold when you transfer from one char to another, other time they think you cheat if find a path to walk you aren’t suppose to walk and soemtimes addons ping their attention - it doesn’t mean other players are to blame.
Because everyone talks in Team Speak and other places, this has nothing to do with reporting, this is how gaming in general has evolved into because other platforms are more easy to socialize through - half the time the chat is broken anyway, better use platforms that work.
Ehm, that what I write matey, the boundaries are being placed within the cultures and how any cultures define what you can say, and what you can’t say.
In the Scandinavian countries you can say exactly how you feel about any politicians, the boundary here is when they become something that has been defined by any law
I know that France as much as any European country does infact not have freedom of speech written in for every person in their country, they have specifically targeted that freedom of speech towards governmental employees.
Which means you have and are allowed to say what you can say wihtin the cultural boundaries and the written boundaries of where you don’t hurt others.
It really isn’t that hard to understand.
I mean come on, OP even started with this… Before the cultural boundaries was such and such, but now they have changed - everything change.
Aaaand now I am tired of writing with you, this way of picking how you like to fit whatever and your conspiracies doesn’t really give me the desire to write more to you.
I can’t make you understand why I think it is fine, and I hope you don’t need to make use of the tools, because then it means you come across nice people.
I don’t. I literally just quote a specific word because this is what I’m going to adress in my sentence. I don’t know, maybe I have an habit of using quotes too much but I’m not trying to twist anything.
Isn’t your whole point that I have the right to feel harmed for anything?
I do believe it can become severe. However it seems to me that you can currently get banned way too easily, long before it becomes a legit problem.
Team speak? Are you a time traveler from 2008?
But yeah, sure, of course people use other ways of communication. It just never went to the point that there is NOTHING being discussed about inside the game, until the social contract came up.
Okay, that’s an argument that I can accept.
But I don’t like the new culture and I think we can see with our own eyes that it brought more negative than positive since it is in place.
Lol wut? My “conspiracies”? Wtf are you talking about, what conspiracies?
You can, and did. The fact that I disagree with you doesn’t mean that I don’t understand.
Not really. It means I don’t come across that are, IMO, bad enough to deserve being banned from the game. It doesn’t mean they are all nice, but not bad enough to use the ban hammer.
That’s my point.
I’m not defending bad behaviours, but I apparently have a much higher bar for what can actually be considered bad behaviours than what seems to be the current community consensus. Or well, at least what Blizzard consider as the new bad.
Lie more.
Look pal, you want to talk to everyone any way you want? Well you can’t.Neither do i or anyone.
Not everyone understands your way of humor or your way of speaking and he doesn’t have to.
Because this is what is all about.“Accept me and the way i speak interact with others”.
Wait, I think there is a misunderstanding: I don’t actually care about your opinion on the matter, you were just a useful example in a conversation with reasonnable people.
I just usually turn off any public chat because I don’t care for the pure nonsense that goes on. But I’m also glad that we are moving to a time where “it is the internet” isn’t a valid excuse for poor behavior. Like if you get banned for “banter” then maybe that banter wasn’t really suitable for a public channel and should have stayed in private.
One of the most common complaints about WoW is it’s toxic community and that other MMOs, usually FF do it better because they are tougher at cracking down on bad behaviour.
Peace out
