It amazes me how many people don't like organized team play in a game built around that

You and me both, my friend.

I normally enjoy the forums, but this is just boring as hell.

Yet again another bunch of vocal minority will change the game in a major way and the people who are happy with how it is now and just want to have fun get screwed over. Majority of players have never set foot on the forum :woman_shrugging:

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Some for fun, some for h/h. And because we have so many premades, we force both sides to premade, because if you don’t you won’t have good h/h and also you will have a better PvP quality, so it’s win-win for both sides, the loss for minority who are fans of automated LFG/LFR systems, I bet you guys hate manual LFG, so you just choose to cry about premades instead of going on discords or typing in LFG channel “(class) LF AB/WSG”
That’s all you need to do. Or queue AV where premades aren’t rolling, massive battleground where all options are possible.
Want mass pvp? Fight on flags
Want small size pvp? Fight in bunkers
Want 1v1 2v2? Roam
Want to queue with couple friends? You can queue with up to 5 people.
Want to queue with more than 5? WSG
Want to queue with more than 10? AB.
I like the design.
What I would love to see is Arenas for small size equal PvPs, but people will eventually start crying to separate Arenas with different iLvL, lets leave this topic for later :))

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Classic is unfair. Everybody knew that when they signed up, that’s the point of the damn game.

No, the forums are actually just full of tears right now.

People should just go to retail if they want “fair”.

I think pugging in PVP should be disabled. That’d solve all the problems.

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While it can be annoying to face Premades made up of mouth-breathing nolives, it’s part and parcel of the game. Some of them are terrible and beatable, even in pugs (as long as they’re not rank10+).

Luckily, my guild provides some nice Premade BGs and we give even the nolifest of nolives a run for the money. In Classic, you make your own luck.

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Yes, we support unfair pvp because that is what Classic pvp is all about. Classic pvp is not a symmetrical and balanced Esport. If you want to play “fair” pvp you can play retail that get frequent balance updated and changes.

There have never been a version of this game where there was a separate queue for solo players in normal battlegrounds.

YUP indeed

So stop trolling on Classic forums and stick too retail maybe?

No one wants to be a solo player. It’s telling that those who want to play the meatgrinder graveyard camp simulator have to resort to lies like this. People want to play together with a randomly assigned team against another randomly assigned team.

If you “serious pvpers” really wanted proper organized team play you would demand to play against other organized teams. You don’t really want that though, you’re in it for the meatgrinder and the free honor.

Threadly reminder that Bodiesan admitted to never playing vanilla outside of private servers. I’m sure he knows what classic is all about.

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Riight, except
 for the people asking for the removal of queuing as anything less than a full premade?
How do you explain that?

90% trolling and 10% delusional stupidity.

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What exactly seems like trolling to you?
Are you disturbed my friend or what?

Riiight. It’s almost like there’s this whole other side to this whole thing which you’re not getting.

Oh wait, that’s exactly what it is!

Funny how that works, isn’t that right?

As per usual you are being dishonest again. None of those suggestions were serious, they’re all trolling replies to people who say the queue needs to be fixed.

Except I’m not, and they were serious.

You should see this video I’ve got a link to, you’ll love it. It’ll be like looking in the mirror for you!

You think just like them. Like peas in a pod.

Great, play pvp in a group then, problem solved. It is literally that simple.

Yes, that is how Vanilla ranking is designed and Classic is a recreation of that.

That have NEVER existed in World of Warcraft. What you ask for have NEVER been part of this game.

We want Classic to be a recreation of the game as it was. There have NEVER been a seperate queue for solo queue in pvp.

Correct, we want the queue system to be a recreation of the game, how it was.

I wouldn’t call it “free honor” to grind pvp for 16h/day. Personally I don’t do that, and I don’t care. I want Classic to be a recreation of the game how it was, warts and all.

Correct, I have never played Vanilla outside of Private Servers. That is why I want Classic to be a recreation of the game how it was without using custom systems that have never been part of this game. I never asked for 10k pop realms, Xrealm bgs or Mega battlegroup either so no need to Straw Man that again.

I know that the queue system in WSG/AB is authentic and working as intended. I also know that there have never been a separate queue for solo players in Battlegrounds.

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Have you contributed too this thread in any form at all? No.
Aka, you are trolling.

You don’t know what that word means.

Nor this one.

There have never been a separate queue for solo players in Battlegrounds. NEVER in the history of World of Warcraft to this day have you been able to queue solo and only fight against other solo players.

I would call that by design.

as a result of a plan; intentionally.

And so does the dictionary ^

People use Straw Man arguments all the time.

For example when I say that the WSG/AB queue is authentic and they answer and say that X-realm BGs is not authentic. That’s a Straw Man argument:

A straw man (or strawman ) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponen

They often try and refute my argument that Classic is a recreation of the game how it was and that the queue system is authentic by making the argument that there is some other unrelated thing that is not authentic and therefore any change they want is valid.

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Definitely disturbed.
Now ill use the new ignore system, welcome aboard.

A proper retailer right there xD Lul.

Back to the discussion at hand. Organized team play is why I play WoW Classic.
You cant raid solo, you cant run dungeons solo, you cant do PvP solo. So much better than the retail crap where you do everything solo through group finders and zero social interactions.