Actually it’s you who straw mans others’ arguments when they say
The game doesn’t play in an authentic way, I can’t play pug vs pug like I could in all of vanilla
but you ignore their argument and you just repeat that the queue system is authentic. That’s a straw man argument right there. Then, because you completely ignore their argument, you accuse them of straw manning because their replies don’t match your completely different set of assumptions.
That’s an OPINION and not a fact. People have memories from 14y ago how they believe it felt to play this game. It’s unreasonable to ask for changes to Classic to fit peoples personal memories and expectations of how they BELIEVE it was to play the game.
No I am not. I have addressed it and answered many time. I just did again ^
Yes, because it is authentic. Classic is a recreation of the GAME, how it was. The GAME.
I am refuting YOUR argument that YOU presented, that’s not a Straw Man Argument.
No I’m not. I have answered it many time and I just did again in this post.
Yes I am accusing them of Straw Manning because they are giving the impression of refuting my argument when they are in fact refuting an argument I never made. For example by talking about X-realm BGs, 10k pop realms and Region wide battlegroup changes.
If that was the case (spoiled retail solo players), then why in Vanilla we didn’t have so many premades? Not even close to what we have in Classic?
I don’t argue that people hesitate to form or join a premade. But don’t forget that some of them can’t dedicate their selves for even an hour of constant game time.
I played in a premade last night ,for the first time since release, and that’s only because of quarantine. I wont lie. It was fun.
Because it’s a recreation of the GAME and not the players playing the game.
I cant talk for you, but on my server in vanilla we had nothing but premades. From both factions. So this it pretty authentic too my vanilla experience. Apart from Mega servers, and whole region xrealm BGs. But again, on my server before battlegroups were added late in vanilla we had all premades, everyday. And once battlegroups got introduced we spread our premades there and wiped the floor with the scrublets from PvE or RP servers. Until they also started premading for honor so they could buy the epic PvP rewards)
I’m glad you gave it a go! I know it can be a pain to make groups for some people and I accept that, but for me part of the MMO feel is having to group up to do stuff, and that it will be harder alone. I’m glad you at least tried, a lot of people asking for changes wont even try.
I’m curious though, how many matches did you play and were they mostly against premades or pugs? Was it different than you expected it to be?
No, it’s not. It’s a fact that premades are vastly more prevalent today than they were during vanilla. I’m not sure why you would comment on this, since you have never played vanilla, how could you even know?
You know what is an opinion though? Thinking that a carbon copy is better than trying to match the gameplay by tweaking the exact rules (or vice versa). That’s an opinion. I happen to think matching the gameplay is more important.
You aren’t refuting my argument by saying it’s an authentic queue system at all. My argument is that the authentic queue system makes for a game that is completely different from what it used to be, and should therefore be changed to match the old gameplay more closely.
It’s also not true that the game is an exact recreation of vanilla because other changes have been made to make the gameplay more in line with how it used to be. Not all of those changes are because of exploiting. When you keep saying that the game is an exact replica and therefore the queue can’t be changed, it’s not a strawman argument to point out the various other places where things have been changed. It directly refutes your argument.
Furthermore, when some of the other changes are direct contributors to the game being played in a different way entirely, we’re damn well allowed to cite them as part of the reason why we think the queue system should be changed.
Ahah only for LFR that has the same value of 5 man dungeon in classic.
But keep believe what you want son if this makes you happy
When BMW, “recreated” Mini Cooper, they used modern parts.
We already had this discussion, mate. And I disagree, that everything has to stay exactly the same.
I am not saying that fixing this issue, is easy. But I believe that there is an issue.
So go and have fun with retail then? Why even reply in this thread if you’re not going to contribute too the discussion? I smell a retail troll that never made it further than level 12 in classic. So he spends his time trolling classic forums.
Opinion, false memory or personal experience.
Maybe it was for YOU and others or maybe you remember wrong.
Anyway it’s all irrelevant; Classic is a recreation of the GAME how it was. It’s not a recreation of how people play the game.
Because you and people like you want to CHANGE the GAME.
Correct, so it’s important for me to get to experience the GAME how it was. I will never get to experience how other people played the game, but I am able to play the GAME how it was.
I don’t. That’s why I want to play the game how it was.
That’s fine. That’s your opinion. I have a different opinion. I don’t want Blizzard to change the GAME to match how people play the game. I want Classic to be a recreation of the game how it was.
That’s a Straw Man argument. We have already discussed that many times.
I want Classic to be an exact recreation of Vanilla.
I have never said that.
The queue can’t be changed because it is in fact an exact replica and no one is exploiting it in any way.
Yes, that is a Straw Man argument. You just said “When you keep saying that the game is an exact replica” and then you continued to refute that argument. BUT I NEVER MADE THAT ARGUMENT. YOU made that argument and YOU refuted YOUR argument.
No, you are refuting an argument you made, not me.
That’s fine, if that is your opinion you should make threads asking Blizzard to fix those others things and not ask for a new customs change that have never been part of this game.
Ok, but I never made that claim or have that opinion so who are you disagreeing with?
For example, I think it’s important to change the login system so we can use 2FA, color blind mode, higher resolution for larger screens etc. And I think it’s important to fix new exploits to the game.
There have never been a special solo queue for battlegrounds where pug vs pug play in separate battlegrounds. Never in the History of World of Warcraft have that existed. So It’s unreasonable to ask for that change in Classic, that is a recreation of the GAME, how it was.
To be clear, what people complain about is that they face 90% premades instead of a memory of facing maybe 30%? Something like that. THe reason is that people play the game differently today and people are still ranking. The amount of premade will be lower in the later phases when less people are ranking. It’s a non issue that will solve itself and people can play in their own premades right now.
With the system at hand this would just make harder for premades to rank up, leading ppl to just solo queue as it would be the higher honor per hour gain.
Unless there are 2 different ranking systems for pugs and for premades then there is no reaosn to force premades vs premades.
You said in other threads (about premades), that that’s how it worked (BG queues) in Vanilla and it shouldn’t change. Am I wrong? It was a fresh topic.
im having fun playin both and im not so insecure to bash one version or another.
what happened? your retail guild didn’t wanted to play with you anymore and now you have all this hate for retaill??
btw mine priest is actualy lv26
That is correct, that is what I am saying.
But you said this:
I have never said or believe that EVERYTHING have to stay EXACTLY the same. It’s a really big difference.
But for this specific topic about the queue system I have this to say:
We were discussing about BG queues and premade vs pugs. Thats what I meant.
But there is a general #nochanges stream.
Its also an RPG so why shouldent i be able to be a lone wolf if i want to roleplay as such?
RPG =/= Solo play.
If you want to role play the lone wolf it’s ok. Lone wolves aren’t supposed to take down elemental lords, black dragon leaders, old gods manifestations or be able to massacre an organized group of 10+ similar characters though.
I quit retail when they introduced pandas. What about it?