No, sweetheart, people need you to put in the minimum effort and try. Simple phrases, “hello”, “goodbye”, and “Thank you”. Or something slightly more advanced, such as “ I want to buy this please”.
If you’re going to speak in public, the conversation is open and, therefore, judged by the public. If you want a private conversation, you have a conversation in private.
However, if you need to do group activities with those locals or a job, the bare minimum is no longer good enough. They must be fluent to complete the tasks successfully, which is what you have in an MMORPG. I have been in countless raid groups where we brought along someone who could only speak a foreign language because he had a friend in our group. Guess who got kicked first because they couldn’t understand anything? It’s the same if you go to other servers; Google Translate isn’t good enough.
If you want to spend weeks to months doing complex activities with a foreign community, you better start learning the language, customs, traditions, etc; otherwise, you will get excluded, which will be your fault.
Man these people are nightmares, I can’t fathom them in social settings outside of their country. Imagine looking at a society that you’ve never been too that has a rich culture and traditions and ways of doing things for reasons and going:“Nah you guys will tolerate me not giving a damn this entire time I’m here. Otherwise you’re racist!”. I’d kill to see the looks on the peoples faces when you show up with that attitude.
Would be interesting to see them navigate a more, I’ll use the word “lower class” neighbourhood, where people will at best ignore you if you aren’t respectful of their culture.
Also the system of a social group or social setting applies both in game as well as irl, seeing as the pople you’re talking to are also human beings, so you should treat them like you’re right in front of them irl, so with respect and not exclude them and then go:“What can’t speak *insert language * ?”.
As I said before, I think at the core of it it’s mostly about being able to understand each other. Communication is such an important social glue. That doesn’t necessarily mean someone has to speak my language, or I theirs perfectly. I’ve had conversations in the Netherlands with lovely women who didn’t speak Dutch, or much English, and we’d get by with some French, hands and dictionaries in between lol.
But for proper cooperation and inclusion in WoW speaking a common language isn’t a farfetched concept. If I joined a French server, I’d do the same even if my French is far from perfect. They prefer that, I respect that, seems simple to me. Worst case scenario my French improves by quite a bit, and that is what I have seen with people whose English wasn’t great but made the effort to learn on the English servers.
True, but I even do this in my own country. Some areas don’t speak fluent English but speak the native language or a derivative of English, which sounds nothing like it. Therefore, I try not to stress them more because they are from a similar but different tradition. We even keep conversations in public to a minimum because we know it can cause problems, and if we were going out for dinner, etc, we would get a private booth to not interrupt the locals.
It’s just manners. You are a guest, and if you want to have a deeper relationship, you must work for it. If you can’t understand or communicate in public, you’re not doing anything more profound or complicated. It’s the same online. The English server is meant for English speakers; it’s not the EU server. Sure, people from the EU are welcome, but they need to speak fluent English.
If you end up with multiple factions of Germans, Dutch etc and you can’t communicate with one another because you refuse to learn then you’re destroying the natives’ enjoyment and taking up space for people in that region which isn’t fair when you could have gone to the German server.
Not fluent, hell not even fully, just like a sentence, even if it’s: “My english no good”. That’s enough for me, they have communicated that they have difficulties, so I ain’t about to ask for a 3 page essay explaining how to do this boss fight, not to mention alot of terms are universal, especially in small interactions in the open world.
If you want to do anything complicated they need to speak fluently. That language is default, if you can’t understand what going on because you don’t know the words or can’t grasp the concepts, they won’t put up with you. You are wasting their time and taking advantage of them
Well yes but that would mean like, taking a random who you know nothing about to a heroic boss fight, rare but I suppose it happens, and there it would be useful.
But typically if it’s really hard you’ll be with a guild or community or friends that speak that language fluently enough
If cant speak English fluently you won’t be in an English guild when they can just recruit an Englishman. It also raises the question of why are you even there instead of being on your own server or a server which speaks a similar language or has more in common with your culture.
Honestly sounds like what you do is the other end of the spectrum.
It is perfectly okay to talk in your own langugage publicly anywhere as long as you are not obnoxious and loud and all(which goes to any language, even if native on native), nothing against talking with your friends just because others can hear it too but not understand it.
What not okay is getting angry and being annoyed when others do not understand what you try to tell them in a foreign language. What is also not okay is to not knowing a word in that language to make them unable to understand you when it is needed. But when it is not needed you can speak in whatever language you prefer.
Also you kinda go against your own words.
“When you come into a community and they speak another language, you have to acknowledge that language because everyone will be speaking it”
“The English server is meant for English speakers; it’s not the EU server.”
So if you go to Ragnaros Horde side where as far as I know many many people are hungarian to the point that even the general chat is filled with it then according to your first statement, you are disrespectful if you not speak hungarian cause the community is hungarian, but according to your second sentence all of them disrespectful cause its an english server not EU!
Also dungeons and group activites are irrelvant in the case of this topic cause it was about public channels where you do not have to understand everyone out of the thousands of people using it.
If the server is filled with Hungarians and it’s for English people or people who speak English that’s not fair to the people who join expecting it to be English. If the Hungarians wanted a server they should petition Blizzard for one or join one which is closer to their region.
Now the question has to be asked, was it English in the beginning and as more Hungarians joined did it displace the English speakers who then had to flee to another server?
This is a fair question I suppose, but again this is all theoreticals, fundementally I agree with respecting the culture one is currently in regardless if it’s one you belong to or not, and atleast in my eyes it falls under common decenccy to want to be able to communicate with them, in whatever language.
Common deceny isn’t universal what is decent in one culture is offensive in another. Being loud in one culture is completely fine, it’s not another. Same with basic greetings and goodbyes. It’s not as simple as I’m just going to be a good person.
That is true I simply think it’s enough to lets say before traveling to another country to look up one or two vids about the basic rules(manners, polite behavior, public expected behavior), takes about 20 mins and should it have another language then the one I’m familiar with the least amount of effort I will put in is getting one of those booklets with the basic phrases of “Hello, I’m …” or “Goodbye”, “I come from …” , etc.
With that done as a base minimum in my eyes atleast.
I mean that’s what travel agencies were for, they told you these kind of things.
Although it’s different with servvers you can still look up where that server is located, especially cause as I said, where you are matters in context of what’s appropriate and whats not.
This is 100%, especially for cultures which are further away.
Servers with specific regional languages will be 90% of the time located in those regions or close to them depending on pricing to provide the best technical experience for them reduced latency etc.
The bigger problem is what you are telling the company if all the Germans are on English servers then Blizzard thinks there are more English people and therefore the Germans get fewer resources dedicated to them. However, if the German speakers were in German servers and they had to put with Romanians etc and that was causing issues then more resources could be directed there and provide them the better cultural and technical experience. This happens in FF14 as well guess what they have their own servers.
It’s just causing unnecessary confusion especially if Blizzard doesn’t enforce the rules.
Once agian you speak against your own words.
First you still dismiss the entire
“When you come into a community and they speak another language, you have to acknowledge that language because everyone will be speaking it”
thing you wrote. You have to acknowledge it , not in just cases when it fits your ideas.
“If the Hungarians wanted a server they should petition Blizzard for one or join one which is closer to their region.”
First part: there is no hungarian server, and doubt any petition from them or polish or croatian or any other language would make them add one specifically , will you say that blizzard disrespect other languages and cultures now because of this?
Second part: Either it is completly pointless to suggest such cause whats the point choosing a closer region when it was about language and nothing else… or you go against your words suggesting that it is okay to speak different languages on different servers even if they are not labelled as that language as long as they not labelled as english.
Then you ask a pointless question. If you vehemently state that it is for English people then why does it even matter how the community started?
Maybe it was always hugarian,maybe it shifted, because things shift with time which is natural. Usually people at new games (and wow was a new game at some point) group up and select a server for themself saying that this is where will play and others that use that language will gravitate toward there at the start aswell to have their own community. So it is completly pausible that it started like that too.
It seems you really try to act respectful and all but completly dismiss and disrespect every and all other language and culture just because at the server selection there is the word english. Which is just there mostly for localization and general direction but as others stated in the topic nothing enforce or state it from blizzard side that english is the only allowed language ingame. So common decency and common sense would be to just live and let live as long as the conversation was not about you or towards you in that different language, and as long as it did not affected your dungeon/raid/battleground run.
I am not going against my own words, your playing semantics. I’m not going to argue with you. If you don’t like my position too bad. You’re just going to have to live with the fact that people won’t agree with you.
It was more xenophobic previously and you aren’t going to change their mind by calling them racist, are you? It also doesn’t help to call them racist when what they are doing isn’t racist. They aren’t being ignorant or showing prejudice, they are saying you are disrupting the community we have built for 10 years, you can’t speak the language, you lie to us by saying can, you can’t understand our strats etc. Therefore we won’t play with you and will actively exclude you.