Legion and Dragonflight: the polar opposites

Psh, that title goes to the Spirit Healer that resurrects people at graveyards. :rofl:

There IS denying. Because I simply disagree with that notion.

Loved it.

Loved it - IF the system is actually fun.
Artifact weapons were fun.

Loved it.

Fun!

Time gating wasn’t introduced in Legion. This is silly to claim.

Also already existed before Legion.

Couldn’t care less.

BM in Legion was more fun than BM in WoD. So…


Legion had world content that remained relevant for a LONG time. Always something to do. It had daily content you could pick and choose what and what not to do.

Even BfA and Shadowlands had more to do when it comes to world content than there is in DF.

DF’s world content is very very limited. Solo wise even more so.
You can log in once or twice per week and be done. That’s boring!

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Your opinions are unpopular Tah. And not by Slapface standards.

If you read comments on threads like this one:
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/85gys3/now_that_legion_is_pretty_much_over_lets_review/
You will see that everything I listed as Legion’s flaws is also cited here. Most folks seem to agree that these things were pretty bad for the game.

Intersubjectivity says that you are incorrect on this one.

When we’re at getting towards the end of the upcoming World Soul Saga there will be dozens of threads about the goode olde days when Dragonflight was the greatest expansion ever.

I remember the hundreds of threads back then complaining about Legendaries, about unlocking third relic slot was a pain. How bad the sytems were for Off-Spec and even worse for Alts.
The zones weren’t loved when we had to navigate around Highmountain and Stormheim without flying.
People did WQs then because we had that AddOn that completed them in 30 seconds.
Dungeon quests for Campaigns and Professions were causing all sorts of problems in groups.

Sure, Legion was an enjoyable enough expansion but this is despite its many many flaws. The complaints at the time were quite vocal I seem to remember.
Most of the negative stuff from Legion did continued into BFA and SL, the systems, the grinds, the rng legendaries et al but these expansions were less enjoyable.
That’s when the praise for Legion really started to pick up though. So Hindsight played a bigger role here I think.

DF is an attempt to take the good bits of Legion without the bad bits. But they’ve not done it very well.
World Soul Saga sounds more like the good bits of Legion. Concentrate on the Lore and the characters.

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Sometimes it’s lonely to be right.

PS: To infer that ‘most people saying something’ means it’s the factual truth, is silly. Case in point: Lots of people say there is a God. :dracthyr_shrug:

Have I not revealed myself to the good people of the forums?

You can make jokes, but you claiming those things are bad for the game is just your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Are you entitled to that opinion? Most certainly.
Are you entitled to say that opinion is factual? No because that’s simply lying and I will call you out on it.

Legion classic in 4 years :hopium:

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anywaysss legion is better than dragonflight glad that it’s settled now and can’t believe it was an arguement to begin with lol. i would gladly play the bad rollout you say over this boredom fest

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It’s the truth, and we’ve seen the impact of those system and design philosophies for the 6 years of the Legion saga.
It was a disaster. We’re barely starting to recover.

You did not play that expansion.

You did not experience classes as they were back then. You have not grinded AP, researches and relics. You didn’t grind the Maw of Souls. You didn’t try to play alts or even just different specializations in that godforsaken expansion.
You only watched cinematics on YouTube and leveled up through timewalking.

Your opinion on Legion is worthless because you were not there.

i’ve also done big part of the campaign unlocked balance of power & races before they were available to everyone ,farmed rep etc. with your logic no one should be talking about any old expansions if they didn’t play. I SAW all the issues and even now i can read them. that doesn’t mean i had to play it to understand them. an expansion can suck in someways and cover it up with other aspects.
dragonflight is dull empty and boring ,made people quit the game more than shadowlands so it is killing the game. legion on the other hand was reviewed as wow’s rebirth. i can read any bad thing you talk about in 10 mins but your logic of trashing a GOOD expansion won’t evet change. it is a good expansion that made people interested in playing wow . also i personally would prefer any AP grind over doing NOTHING outside of raids and m+

long story short,

legion >>>>>>>> dragonflight

…Well, yes.
That’s indeed how this logic goes. And it makes perfect sense.

There’s more to an expansion than its content. This is what you fail to understand, and this is why your opinion doesn’t matter.

For example, you could pick MY favourite expansion, but with BFA class design and I wouldn’t play it even though everything else would be amazing from my point of view.
Because class design is the N°1 most important thing about an expansion, and it was complete and utter garbage in BFA.

But you didn’t experience class design in Legion, just like you didn’t experience the grind, the RNG and the alt unfriendliness.
Again: you weren’t there. Your appreciation of Legion is based on its most superficial elements.

i simply don’t care, i wouldn’t care about it back then as i didn’t care about the aspects people complained in bfa when i played bfa. yes i would want class design to be good and i HATE how bad it is right now in dragonflight but that doesn’t affect my opinion on the expansion. dragonflight’s class designn is also bad no matter how many players praise it. all of the casters are basically the same , their unique aspects are dead everybody gives BL , CR , Dispell , summons become useless. all melee classes are like specs of one class. no depth no meaning behind any spell design.
but i don’t hate dragonflight because of this. that’s just a minor part of the expansion for me . i will keep saying legion is good if you don’t care that’s up to you but that doesn’t make my opinion invalid . i didn’t play all that story , dungeons, campaigns not to mention m+ pools having most legion dungeons… just to be disrespected like this sorry . i would not care about the things you keep whining here.

That’s a lot of stuff you’re complaining about.
You do care about class design - and you’re right, it’s important.

Too bad you didn’t experience it in Legion.
You therefore can’t have an opinion about it, and your appreciation of the expansion is incomplete as a result.

my opinion isn’t about legion’s class design my opinion is legion is a good expansion. i don’t do mythic or heroic raiding either that doesn’t take my right away to complain about dragonflight. i played 5 expansions of this game and none of the class designs changed my opinion about the expansion. i would hate TBC if i cared about class design and to be honest i wouldn’t play wow at all if class design was my priority.

No, you really have had to have played it to comment on it accurately. I loved Legion but it really had huge flaws (some were tackled relatively quickly like AP), the one that would have impacted you would have been the severe timegates, people are praising Suramar, but they forget how asinine timegated it was, it was very similar to how campaigns worked in BfA and SL where you were drip fed 5-6 quests each week and you had to wait 7 days for your next fix.

And like I said AP was fixed somewhat in time, but at the start it was a nightmare. Legendaries had a “good luck protection” build in that prevended you from getting anymore after you got your first 4 (I think, someone correct me on the number). The annoying mission table quests that put a hard stop to your class campaign are still there. I can go on. Legion had flavor and that carried a lot of it’s bad designs, and I can’t believe I’m saying this but Slapface is right on this one, those designs were horrible. The problem is that Blizzard took the wrong “feedback” and carried those bad designs into the later expansions, enter Azerite and the HoA, pretty much the same system as Artefact weapons but without the cool flavor and QoL improvements that Legion had and people hated it.

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It doesn’t matter. Class design is one of the many things about Legion that you didn’t experience.

Many people disliked WoD.
But WoD for all its flaws was praised for two things: how enjoyable the leveling was, and how good the raids were.
If someone who didn’t play WoD back then were to level up in WoD zones and do WoD raids today, they might love it and wonder why people disliked it at the time. They’d be just like you, praising an expansion they never played, and wondering what could possibly be wrong about it.

You needed to be there to have an opinion.

This is your first step towards the Light.
Congratulations. I welcome you with open arms.

Legion was an amazing expansion from beginning to end.
I loved every second of it.

BFA was a good expansion. But worse.
They seemed to have taken away the wrong lessons from what made legion so awesome.
But still a good time.

Shadowlands was… shadowlands.
Ive come to believe that it is an amazing expansion, drowned in 50 layers of tedium.
Every time they made something fun, they found a way to ruin it by throwing a million obstacles in the way.

So I would agree that from Legion onwards, they seemed to have a philosophy of “if we drag out everything, people will have fun for longer”.
Which is totally not why legion worked.

But then we get to dragonflight.
They removed all the obstacles… by not providing content in the first place.

Certainly a change away from why shadowlands failed.
But not so positive for those that want to play the game outside of instances for more than 30 minutes a week.

Dragonflight is not a good expansion.

But yes, from what they have shown from TWW, they might actually be finding a way to give players freedom, while still providing stuff for those that want it.

If dragonflight is a stepping stone to good game design, im okay that the expansion is kinda lame.

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This is how I see it, yes.

Except I also add to this that Legion was the opposite: an enjoyable expansion (for most people anyway) which heralded a new era of awful game design decisions.