Wtf are you talking about? Only hunters, mages, evokers and elemental shamans have BL, only druids and warlocks have CR, only warlocks have Sum Stones and HS, only priests have MS and PI (I can go on for priests and their insane utility which only they have), only evokers have a support spec. Again I can go on to explain why every single caster is unique in their own way and I can do the same for every melle, tank and healer. DFs class design is superior to most other expansions (and it could be better, but we are playing with one of the best iterations for the majority of the specs). It really shows that you havenât played characters past 60 and are just talking out of your poopoo, just like you did with the âRNG gearing fiascoâ.
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i donât mind timegates as long as i have other things to do
i heard about that and thatâs a bummer but as i mentioned before i wouldnât mind i donât find AP as awful as other people do.
and i still donât mind them yes itâs not a great thing but at least there were class halls and campaigns.
i canât say it didnât i canât say it was a good experience but i can easily say it is a good expansion. seeing legion on twitch is what made me start playing wow later. i donât mind when a game fail with the designs i mean i do complain about them a lot but my main issue with dragonflight isnât class design like i said .
i am okay with having a system that gets perfected over time . if there arenât any systems to talk about like in dragonflight, thatâs where i draw the line and lose patience . this expansion is the wort wow can ever be because of how empty and dull it is.
i didnât mean literally⌠back in the day only shamans had bloodlust, only druids had cr etc. thatâ what iâm talkin gabout. warlock summons mattered right now it become a niche aspect. mage portals basically not important anymore.
ele shaman, fire mage frost mage destro warlock are basically the same class atm with different spells .
you can check my achievements to see i have ksm in 2 seasons. i stopped at ksm because i didnât find anything else compelling enough to make me go with that awful pug experience
classes lost their unique ways and now you just choose the one thatâs doing highest dps.
only augvoker is the new unique thing and we all see how it is being implemented
just because you guys donât agree with people doesnât make their opinions unimportant sorry
this elitist behaviour of wow players is so funny.
No.
What makes peopleâs opinion unimportant is when those people are uninformed, and give opinions about things they have not experienced.
I completely disagree with Tah, but I donât invalidate Tahâs opinions about Legion because they actually played through it at the time. Unlike you.
We canât. Youâre hiding your profile.
Please make it public.
Ah yes, I loved running islands over and over again for little reward.
Yes but you also failed to mention why Legion was good. Class flavor, introduction of M+, introduction of WQ (love em or hate them they are better than dailies), decent enough lore, Legendaries (again love or hate the aquisition the effects were cool and added gameplay variety), replayability value due to class campaigns, Mage tower (that it took them 4 years to make it permanent feature is just âŚ). I mean Legion had way more positives than negatives, just because Blizzard took the wrong lessons from it doesnât make it bad. Thatâs like saying DF is bad if for example Blizzard scrapped all itâs possitives and only carried forward with the negatives for the future expansions.
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i literally experienced legion expansion ⌠just not at its time.
iâm not saying i know more than you about legion but i can count enough pros to make all the cons irrelevant. I WISH i could play legion with all its flaws instead of this horrendous experience
Yep. Huge disagree on this one.
If you feel like it, please check out this thread: Legion Patch 7.0.3 (2016-07-19): Removed
Legion completely destroyed everything unique about all the specializations I loved.
I used to main Fire Mage and Subtlety Rogue, believe it or not. Iâve never played those two specs against after Legion.
No.
Thatâs sounds like your opinion 
with your logic i can say many pvp players havenât experienced dragonflight since most of them donât do raids or dungeons unless itâs necessary. they donât do campaign quests and most of the active players in general donât know many major characters. iâve seen people asking whoâs garrosh and these people were big streamers. fight with them too <3
Again no, we can go as broad as their resources which work differently, to how they spend them, to how their spells interact with one another. For example destro lock (seeing as I have the highest XP with it) has Soul Shards, with a cap of 5, no way to increase that cap, and each of the builder spells providing different amounts of soul shards, then we have spells like Conf that reduce the cast time of your next spell, then we have the big CD aka the Infernal which is one of the most impactful single CDs in the game, it stuns, it deals AoE dmg, it builds resources. Very different from Ele shaman and fire mage. Again no clue what you are talking about.
PS Oh and lets not forget about Havoc and the different play you can have with it, going from a simple 2 target cleave to bonus recourse generation.
Not specifically talking about gameplay. Iâ talking about the class campaigns and artefact weapons.
I feel very offended as a destro main rn
Pfff donât you mean as an Elemental shaman main XD.
thatâs why i said different spells. you can make destro warlock a mage spec and it wouldnât look weird. they have different resources etc but it all looks like a recolour. when you pick a class in classic you think about more stuff than you do in retail . and like i said i donât find class design in this game good in general . what you call good is balancing & modernising the playstyles
i literally donât know why rain of fire is not a fire mage spell ⌠they are the same with one has an imp . amazing class design !!
Shadowlands is the worst expansion, but Legion has to be the expansion I skipped the most out of, and it completely ruined my old main for me.
Besides the listed stuff in OP, requiring people to grind honor talents was just awful design.
People like Legion because itâs 3 button rotations made DPSing classic levels of easy.
No I donât and I have played the original releases and the re-releases now. Back in classic casters felt more the same actually, from Shadow bolt spam to Frost bolt spam if we are talking about core gameplay. Just because you donât use your utility now, thats on you.
Also how many caveats and whoops will you jump through before you admit you are wrong? Pretty much everything you have said so far on this matter is disproven.
Yea, no. You experienced past content. Thatâs not the same as experiencing an expansion. When you play Legion past content, you arenât playing Legion, youâre playing DF. Thatâs like saying âI progressed through all of BCâs zones in retail WOW, so obviously Iâm an old BC playerâ.
Taking Legion for example, the AP grind is gone, the artefact weapon system is gone, titan forging is gone, the old mage tower is gone, the tier sets from those raids are only good for transmog use, etc. These were all a part of the expansion experience.
Being part of an expansion experience is something that you should be proud of because you were there to see a part of WOWâs history. And sure you can look it up, but well, how do I put this? There is a massive difference between seeing a picture of someplace beautiful and being in that beautiful place yourself.
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One uses resources the other doesnât have access to. Fire mages donât need that spell because their AoE comes from different means (mastery DoT). Is it just because itâs a âFireâ spell? If that is all your basing your assumptions on, your perspective on class design is very lacking. Oh I know Frost Shock is an Frost mage spell, bad game design, even back in classic.
you choose a pet class, a warlock that can summon people or a mage that can open portals and slow down the enemies. right now you just check which one is on top of dps tier list and play it
you didnât disprove anything you just said no
distinctions between classes have become a lot smaller. none of the classes feel good like warlocks feel outdated with their boring gameplay, mage is only about one build for each spec and donât have any variety if you want different playstyle because thereâs a bis one. which is wowâs biggest issue .
i never said i progress through legion. i just said i wouldnât mind the bads they keep repeating. and i can experience the good aspects of it now .
i donât think itâs necessarily a bad thing. like i said just because i didnât do it doesnât mean i donât know it or canât search for it and the bad things you counted are not all bad for me. i donât mind AP for example.
also if we talk about experiencing systems at their time go ahead and call all pvp players and say they donât play wow.
itâs really not that deep
itâs literally a blizzard with fire theme. they add blizzard to frost mages but rain of fire to destro warlock ? was it too hard to create a spell that has its own identity ?
exactly bad class design. what you think as class design is tuning. play some other games to see how different classes are and if theyâre similar they donât introduce those classes like a differen stuff like fire mage and destro warlock coul easily be the same classes awakening class in bdo . ele shaman and frost mage has less difference than wizard and witch in bdo . difference between a mesmer and a necro in gw2 is how a warlock and an arcane mage should feel . in wow theyâre alll similar with different color filters.
I have to agree with you.
Like, i joined at the end of wod.
Did i play wod as current content? Yes, some of it.
But i never lived through such updates as the selfie cam patch.
When i started the end game was tanaan jungle.
For this reason, when i rank the expansions i go from legion onwards.
As im not fully qualified to talk about the wod experience.
I enjoyed wod. Maybe i wouldnt have if i had played from day 1 and experienced the lack of stuff to do.
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