Correct. All race/class restrictions should be lifted. Except Demon Hunter. I imagine that would be just a tad awkward.
Pandaren paladin, go!
Makes more sense than a panda DK. We already have priests!
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Why? In lore, all races can be Demon Hunters. The restriction in the game is, if anything, one of the only restrictions not supported by lore.
Implying race is a meaningful choice to begin with.
I agree with letting and race be any class. Some of the restrictions are stupid anyway. If âloreâ is really all you have to complain about⊠just donât change it on RP realms.
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First of all, all Demon Hunters were Night Elves⊠Then Illidan recruited Blood Elves to his side and taught some of theseâŠ
So the Illidari Demon Hunters are exclusively Night Elves and Blood Elves.
Their entire existence was dedicated to one thing. And that was the destruction of the Burning Legion.
While demons still exist, the Burning Legion has been stopped.
Without Sargeras holding the reins, the Legion is likely to fracture into different factions, vying for dominance.
While dangerous they arenât the world ending threat they used to be.
And here we come to the problem, in my opinionâŠ
Thereâs no reason anyone would go through the ordeal that it is to become a Demon Hunter anymore.
The remaining Illidari will need to find some new purpose in their lives of course.
But why would a gnome, for example, join the Illidari and live a life of constant struggle, as Fel energies gnaw on his every thought, his entire existence will now be to fight these urges to be a specialized weapon against an enemy that no longer is a great threat.
And many Demon Hunters fall to these Fel temptations, becoming the very thing they hate.
Additionally, thereâs no reason they would even take in new recruits⊠To condemn others to the life theyâve had.
From the Illidari point of view they sacrificed themselves so others wouldnât have to. To protect their home and their people from the Legion.
So no⊠I donât see any reason as to why anyone would take the step to become a Demon Hunter now that the Legion is defeated, nor do I see any reason for the Illidari to recruit more members.
Sure if Sargeras escapes one day and unites the demons into a new Legion, then we can talk.
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The first (after Illidan) Demon Hunters were Night Elves who underwent their own ritual to blinden themselves to see demonic and magic energy. While the majority of those that followed were Night Elf sympathisers many other races also underwent the transition.
Therefore, this is not true.
Character creation of those races, in the timeline, happens immediately following the Cataclysm and before the third invasion of the Burning Legion. This was my theory all along, and it is being confirmed in Shadowlands.
As above, ânewâ Demon Hunters would simply be created during the invasion. The only way that your issue exists is if you assume that character creation always happens at the latest point in the current timeline. While this is the case from a gameplay perspective, it is not the case from a lore perspective - otherwise why have we even been able to make Demon Hunters since the end of Legion? For all intents and purposes, all new creations of the first five races of each faction happens immediately after the Cataclysm⊠otherwise why are the other races still recruiting, too? The same applies for Pandaren, who are all created during the initial discovery. The same applies for allied races, who are all created during the BfA. There is literally no reason why this doesnât apply for Demon Hunters.
You would need to add some sources to this⊠As Iâve never seen any Demon Hunter that wasnât a Night Elf or a Blood Elf.
And?
Why would the Illidari suddenly have access to a lot of recruits from all kinds of races when Illidanâs followers were for the most part Night Elves, Blood Elves, Naga and Broken?
In addition to demonic races.
Still donât see a reason for Illidan to decide visiting Gnomeregan is the right choice for new recruits.
The history of Demon Hunters (as well as a good dozen or so other classes) is written in the Alliance Playerâs Guide published in 2006.
If youâre really so concerned about Gnomes walking about Mardum during the invasion (because this is the only part that isnât actually written into lore) then just have them start in their own starting zones. Same with the other races. Unlike Death Knights, who were created solely for the purpose of their invasion, Demon Hunters have existed in lore since the first Night Elves underwent the transition, they just havenât been playable. As a result, thereâs nothing wrong with having a Gnome Demon Hunter who just wasnât recruited into the war in Mardum.
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The RPG books are no longer canon though.
Sorry, I just donât think it fits the racial fantasy, nor do I see any reason as to why they would join or why they would be accepted into the ranks of the Illidari.
The first Night Elves who joined Illidan and were taught by him, joined because they had lost something, or maybe everything, to the demons.
The first Blood Elves joined possibly as a way to strengthen the ties between Illidanâs forces and those of Kaelâthas, or to strengthen the Illidari. I donât know.
But even so, from what Iâve read 4 out 5 outright die, succumb to the Fel energies, go insane, or commit suicide during training. Itâs that tough.
Why would anyone do that unless they had absolutely nothing left in their life except for a burning hatred against demons?
The Night Elves at least, have fought the demons before.
And the Blood Elves might have done so as well⊠At least the ones that were attached to Illidanâs armies.
So they have ample motivation.
While I donât see this for the other races.
But I think weâll just have to agree to disagree here.
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A fair point, but thereâs still nothing to indicate that whatâs written there is no longer true. Every single word of it is still an accurate representation of Demon Hunters in the game, so I donât see why this one particular sentence wouldnât be.
I think itâs up to the player to establish their own motivations, as it is with every other race/class in the game. Sure the Night Elves and Blood Elves are most common (which is supposedly why theyâre the only ones playable) but the only way to refuse to allow other races to be Demon Hunters is to ignore the only piece of written lore that existed about them until Legion. If you want to do that then⊠sure, I guess. But until itâs confirmed by Blizzard (probably wonât be) then âloreâ arguments are, if nothing else, equally invalid on either side.
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The fact that they arenât canon means that unless Blizz states otherwise, anything in there is untrue unless supported by a canon source, like Chronicles for example.
Of course, but it ruins the âfantasyâ a bit if thereâs hundreds upon hundreds of players using ârareâ race class combos.
Say for arguments sake that there exists 1 Gnome Demon Hunter in lore, and heâs a special case.
Then you make them playable and you have 800 of them running around⊠Then they arenât exactly rareâŠ
Take Night Elf Paladins for example⊠Thereâs one or two examples in-game through the Paladin Class Hall in Legion. The exceptions to the rule.
But if you make them playable then Night Elven Paladins will be common.
Personally I donât mind Night Elven Paladins, as Paladins seem to be just someone using faith (not necessarily in the Holy Light) as a weapon of sorts, but Iâm just using it as an example here.
Did you forget that in Drustvar they were litterally hunting witches?
Except Worgen, Goblins and LF Draenei.
Their official wording is that itâs âbetter off being consideredâ untrue. Thereâs still a good chance it is. Like you said before, agree to disagree.
Well, sure, until you consider that, from a roleplaying perspective, nobody in the game is âcanonâ if you donât interact with them and make them part of the canon youâre playing.
Some parts of the lore have, can, and should go out of the way to make for a better playing experience. For example, basically all of the storyline heavy raids, like Naxrammas. The playersâ characters never cleared Nax in lore at all, but we do in the game, because it makes the game more fun to play. I donât see why the same canât apply for rare class/race combos.
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Some of it might be, I wouldnât know.
But personally Iâll consider it untrue unless supported by an outside canon source, or some Blizz lore-guy points to it and says âThis is canon.â
Well, maybe you can ignore what you see on your screen. I canât.
Sure, some of it, but not on all race/class combos. But thatâs just my opinion.
/bite
Vulpie bites TyrandĂ©âŠOuch!
Seen you bite quite a few people⊠And every time you say ouch.
If it hurts every time you bite someone, Iâd suggest seeing a dentist.
Or⊠uh⊠a veterinarian I guess.
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The veâŠahemâŠdentist said it was an impacted toothâŠbut, that if I bite enough people, it should help loosen the overlying toothâŠand you canât argue with science.
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I agree, I mean the lore got thrown out of the window with void elves so who gives a crap anymore? I want Pandaren druids, I want that red panda cat form from the fan concept on reddit.
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No. It canât⊠be.
I⊠completely agree⊠with you⊠Retributor.
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You can play a mechagnome now yet you only play blood elves? Hmmm
Aside from some specific things that are obviously difficult (demon hunters need four base models and several variations for each race, just for the metamorphosis to work, on top of all their unique animations) I generally support this venture. Is it kind of weird that a walking corpse can be a druid? Sure, but those wicker-and-bone forms the KTs have donât look like regular animals to me, either. Iâm sure some justification can be pulled out if needed.
Because of those new assets, some releases would have to be staggered as a matter of practicality, but as an end goal I agree: Let everyone be everything. Unchain the classes.
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