Let us discuss the Forsaken problem

He didn’t turn into a Paladin and he probably never will, Max he will just become a Disc priest. Also you cannot be a paladin without the Light (unless they retcon that in the future).

Not quite accurate I believe. He doubts himself and whether he is worthy of the Light. That if he calls for it, it won’t come. And it probably wouldn’t right now because of that doubt, not that it knows just… how it manifests or some boogly blah.

The Light is neutral because it’s a force, it doesn’t have sentience. The Naaru are Lawful Good… and Lawful Good is not Lawful Nice. That’s my take on it anyway.

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Why do you think we Alliance players consider Arthas an Alliance character?

Seems to be a bad faith person on the forums. Talking about Preaching and pooping on Christianity. Seems silly. But death has to mean something. It makes sacrifices and choices actually mean something.

Like Varian Wrynn choosing to buy time for the Alliance army to regroup and come back after the defeat of Alliance and Horde armies at Broken Shore. He died for the Alliance!

A choice made by the Horde. Despite Durotar being…difficult to live on. The Horde survives.

It is bigger than that. Should player characters find Jaina’s locket then you see that Jaina Proudmoore always believed that a part of the Prince she once loved still remained.
But now they practically race swapped Arthas to a Night Elf wisp. So Jaina is just over it. It has been some time since the events of Wrath of the Lich King.

Priests do not use Warriors swords. Shalamayne is undoubtedly a Warrior’s sword. Even when split for dual wielding. He clearly calls upon the Light to mass heal the Alliance army as can be seen in the Battle for Azeroth cinematic and Sylvannas in game saying Anduin got his dad’s sword all bloody.

But yes. What are they going to retcon next.
At what point does content become unrecognisable to the paying customers - fanbase?

This is an easy mistake to make. The Naaru for most of WoW has been displayed as beings of Light. However Muuru and Xaara the “dark star” of alternate Draenor shows that they are also beings of Shadow.
There is a lot of opportunity to explore the Dark side of the Naaru.

The conviction of Anduin is something that is brought in question. The Maw is supposed to be World of Warcraft version of Hell. So the Light answered him there demonstrates his conviction. Being enslaved might have shaken or wounded his conviction the Light. But it seems to be a story that will be told in The War Within expansion. So for now all people can do is speculate.

The Light now participating in Undead is a big retcon itself.
The Light has got the power to resurrect. I do believe as a Priest Anduin resurrected Varian. The Light protected Tirion Fordring when the Death Knights tried to raise him as an Undead.
Lightbound undead should be a mistake. Odin’s forces are dead not Undead as is the Light users of Bastion in the Shadowlands.

The line between Undead and the dead is being blurred.

The Alliance of Lordaeron is different to the Grand Alliance. The latter is what the existing Alliance is now the former became mostly Forsaken and Horde or neutral forces.
Arthas Menethil is not an Alliance character could be problematic for some.

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Didn’t you already lament Khadgar? Be grateful Genn and Tyrande only took a break and weren’t painfully killed like Cairne, Vol’jin, Rastakhan or Garrosh.

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No that was Thrall. We know he hates his own people.

You may not believe in god but christianity has a large footprint on culture and humanity’s perception of life as a whole, plenty of atheists still believe in higher purpose and that death must have something after.

What exactly it means?

3 alliance races being previously robots is ancient lore

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You see robots are only good If done by Titans. Warcraft veterans in their 30s hate new stuff

Wut? I don’t care about Khadgar. Please link me the post I am lamenting him.

But I am not viewing this from a religious standpoint, I am viewing it from what was presented in the game via the different cultures and religions. SL contradicts them and presents death as Life 2.0. Why should I care the next my favorite character dies when they will just be chilling in idk Bastion or Ardenweald? I am literally the all time celebrity there and am best friends with the Arbiter (even though I never liked him in the first place and never joined his covenant).

Yes 3 Alliance races, now everything is a robot. Even the rocks we walk on are 3D printed by the Gods of the Gods which are also robots.

Yeah great, I’m not like that. Life is life, if I get magically isekai-ed someplace else after that it would genuinely come as surprise to and would frankly ruin my life retirement plans of not existing.

I believe you will find they are called agnostics.

Is this more spoilers? I don’t wanna know STAHP SPOILING

Khadgar is neutral. An apprentice of the Medivh and guardian of Azeroth.
Cairne Bloodhoof was killed by Horde internal conflicts. Mak Gorah the “sacred” Horde duel that the Horde constantly cheats in. Magatha Grimtotem, Cairne fell to a cowards poison and not to the “might” of Hellscream. Something Garrosh never forgotten. It is why when Bane Bloodhoof took back Thunder Bluff from Magatha, Garrosh ignored her cry for help, leaving it to Baine what her fate is.

Rastakhan had nothing to do with the Horde as the Zandalari joined the Horde under Talanji’s reign. Garrosh Hellscream was also killed by the former Horde Warchief Thrall in Mak’Gorrah yet another “sacred” duel that they cheated in.
The elements were NOT a weapon that was supposed to be used.
The Alliance is not responsible for Horde internal conflicts.

The Warchief of the Horde is the embodiment of the Horde.
He sought a home for his people. He made one thus the Horde was reformed.

The problem is that there are some people that find it very difficult for whatever reasons to engage with escapism.
So try to find Christianity or other boogey-men within the content itself.

Baron Samedi and the Loa is inspired by Haitan voodoo. However the WORLD of Warcraft is removed from the real world that people can become immersed within it. Loa are a power source of the Trolls that they worship and pray to but in exchange power and assistance.

Do not be deceived. Truck-Kun is everywhere. Truck-Kun has isekaied so many people already :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You know what? I am actually that petty.

Horde on Horde crime.

Bamboozled by a loa working for the Jailor that wanted Sylvanas as warchief, technically Horde on Horde crime.

Wasn’t even Horde.

Horde on Horde crime.

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And Sylvanas: Did it to herself.
Horde on Horde crime (technically).

Nah that was part of her plan, still Horde on Horde but not a crime I guess.

I forgot she yeeted herself off Icecrown. I more meant her crackpot plan for SL, she didn’t die but it was all squarely her fault what happened to her.

Oh and let’s not forget Saurfang.

Yeah that’s what I meant. In her book she claims she wanted to go to the maw at the end so she could look for Steve Denuser.

I agree with Moltensage here. There are good changes and bad changes. Good changes are when you change as a part of an evolution or by showing that some statement ingame whas just a person lying or not saying the whole truth or it whas misunderstood because a lack of context like for example Kael’thas not taking the whole remaining survivers from Silvermoon to Outland but only the most capable soldiers.
This one whas easily believable and enriched the lore setting.
Bad are like Shadowlands where Sylvanas whas ALWAYS an ally of the jailer or now with GW there always have been female Custodes.
For Sylvanas there is not much to say here but for GW and Custodes that whas just bad, poor and damaging. The Custodes are the most elite warriors of the Emperror and they are the peak of humanity each one like a Primarch as they where the Prototype of them. And in Warhammer 40.000 we also know that there are only male Primarchs because they created by the Emperror of using his own genetic to make them this transhuman warriors like they are and so there can only be guys as the Emperror is a guy and it only works on guys.
If you would have wanted to break this thing you could have said that some of those Space Marines that fell to the Chaos now got tempted by Slaanesh and with his/her help they became women and now want to overthrow the empire and make other experience this gift of freedom too. This way it would have been canonic fitting as Slaanesh is the god of temptation and perversion where nothing is holy and every desire you want should be costed and so this whole thing could be also an ingame conflict of Female Death Angels are Heresy that should be burned with fire against The Empire is an oppressive Monolith.
The only question that remains is, if the new included ones would be happy if their wish is considered being a part of god of debauchery that encourages cannibalism and corpse copulation.

But to go back on topic, yeah the thing about light forsaken or forsaken can be of any magic school is just making it absurd. By this logic actually forsaken could be raised by nature magic and then what? Are they now fine by Kaldoreistandards because they are not death magic or Void magic forskane but nature magic forsaken? Sorry but this sounds for me like paradoxon.

Agnostics believe in higher forces but deny conventional depictions of deity, atheists don’t neccesarily deny

And when agnostic says higher forces he means esotherical supernatural higher forces, atheists not neccesarily deny higher forces too, it’s just that from their perspective creator might as well be percievable and technologically developed.
Like aliens yes.
Anyway agnostics are cowards IMO, “ya ya god exists but we can’t explain him and it’s not religion and it’s not science we just don’t know anything really”

Wtf are you even talking about?

atheist

noun

  1. a person who disbelieves]or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.

agnostic

noun

  1. a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

You logic is agnostics are actually Christians and atheists are actually agnostics. I get you are trying to sound edgy and cool but you come off clueless.

Also no having a certain religion/religion does not make you cowardly.

The motivations have changed quite a lot. Before the Forsaken existed as a quiver in Sylvannas bow to kill Arthas Menethil at all costs. Then after the Valkyir brought her back from WoW hell. They were her Bulwark against the infinite. To stop her from permanent death.

The Forsaken without Sylvannas seemed to have lost their purpose. She was the one that formed the Forsaken faction in the first place. So the Horde having a council for everything seems a bit silly. Leaders have the ability to unite. So will the Forsaken unite under Calia Menethil?
There are much more than just Lordaereons among the Forsaken. Which is why they are more of Alliance faction than a Horde war.
Alliance Undead waging war against Alliance living. Only this time there is no Helm of Domination that overrides their will.

Despite there existing a peace between the Alliance and the Horde. The Alliance now have their backs against the wall. As the same fear and dread of slavery in Undeath, Which caused the Alliance armies to march into Northrend and face the Lich King and the Scourge is what the Alliance faces today.

Whether it be sickness - injury - old age. Just as death itself is inevitable. Slavery to the Horde through the Forsaken is inevitable.
What is there to prevent the Forsaken from farming more and more Alliance dead? Battle for Azeroth proved that the Horde has no problem with grave robbing as there were several Kul Tiran dead forced into Undeath until they found Derek Proudmoore.

The Forsaken already wield considerable power among the Horde. If not militarily then politically as the last faction to hold the mantle of Warchief.