Let's all remember WHY horde got ''blood elves''

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Nah, that wasn’t you. Was someone else. But it was probably an oversight, something I strictly speaking didn’t even need to point out.

Yeah, figured that was what you meant. It’s a pretty blatant and unflattering retcon to be honest.

Yeah I never expected them to join the Alliance.
But to be honest I never expected retconned Draenei to come out of nowhere either. In the earlier iterations of lore, they were just Eredar demons anyway.

I just feel like their inclusion in the Horde didn’t make much sense either as it’s currently written.
They could have focused much more heavily on their connection with Sylvanas Windrunner for example.
Instead of crazy terrorist Night Elves coming out of nowhere. That didn’t make much sense. The Night Elves had known about the Kingdom of Quel’Thalas for quite some time at this point, why did they suddenly decide to go play ISIS in Eversong now?

Yeah, but it’s not just her eyes that bother me to be honest.
She’s a Void Elf and should look the part in my opinion.
If they had gone the route of showing her changing appearance because of her connection to the Void, it would solve the current hole in lore on how Void Elves create more of their kind.
If just submerging yourself in the Void like the Void Elves do changed their appearance, then one could just say that High/Blood Elves who traveled to the Telogrus Rift and joined the Void Elves gradually changed.
And while I understand her hating her sister for what she’s become, I have never seen her shown any respect or acknowledgement that she actually died in defense of her homeland.
Even if she hates what her sister has become now, it makes her a bit unsympathetic that she never showed much sadness or mourning for the fate of her younger sister.

And indeed, Turalyon is a strange one. He almost seems like the old racist grandpa that can’t accept that people from X religion or country aren’t all bad people.
He fought alongside Horde races against the Legion, and then just immediately turned against them because reasons.
Instead of focusing on seeking out his old countrymen, there are humans from Lordaeron still around after all… Or being more concerned with helping the Silver Hand.

I think the problem is that many of the original writers are gone. So instead of creating new characters and build them up, they’re just using the current ones to tell their own stories, and in many cases retconning or butchering them.
Sylvanas being a prime example.

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They were the original elves. They resemble the first “true” elves (nelves) more than the Quel/Sin/Ren/Fal dorei do, and nelves are their descendants.

Zandalari ----> dark trolls

dark trolls + well of eternity = nelves.

So at best night elves and by extension the entire elven group of races are just mutated trolls. The night elves and their decendants where in all cases (I guess High elves are a grey area, because they evolved over time, suggesting naturally, from the magically-infused highborne, but it is unclear whether this swift evolution was brought on by arcane magic) the elves have ‘evolved’ due to proximity to major sources of magic.

Then again, the Curse of Flesh could be considered similar, and that did cause a change to the titan-forged which could be considered an evolution or devolution…

Apologies, I am mistaken, and have gotten it the wrong way round. Elves are the most recent branch of the troll lineage. It seems I started at the conclusion I wanted and worked backwards, when my starting point should have been the night elves. Same journey regardless, but unfortunately I let personal bias seep in and influence the conclusion.

In summary:
Trolls =/= elves, but elves = trolls.

Please correct me if I have gotten any lore info wrong that may affect my conclusion.

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It’s been at least a year since I read Chronicles but I don’t think it’s correct that the Zandalari were the first trolls.
I don’t even know if Chronicles state which were the first. Just that trolls were among the earliest intelligent mortal races to appear. I might be misremembering though.

They are among the earliest though, that’s for sure. And definitely the most powerful and successful tribe.

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I believe they were the first, but I’ll double-check.

Any errors regarding lineage after zandalari that you can see?

EDIT: my mistake, they were not the first, simply the most powerful. However, nothing regarding the actual lineage sans zandalari (i.e. taking just ordinary trolls as a starting point and diversifying into dark trolls) that I’ve seen contradicts me.

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We enjoy our cities, like Suramar and Silvermoon.

We enjoy our arcane magics. You enjoy living in trees and sleeping in dens, darling…it’s all you did for 10,000 years anyway.

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The Zandalari were the earliest known trolls - the first tribe from which all tribes originated.
That’s from wowpedia.

Maybe you were right… This isn’t Chronicles (I cba to go fetch Chronicles from my bookshelf.)
But this points to them being the first tribe after all. That trolls existed before, but that the Zandalari were the first to unite into a proper tribe.

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Hmmm… looked on wowpedia, on the main troll page, and it states under ancient history that they are merely the most powerful. However I imagine yours is accurate, though it is odd that it is not mentioned in the history section of the main troll page.

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every decision was made for some reason and explained by lore.
lore is their mask, “because of lore we did X” but in reality its the other way around.

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I wouldn’t call it a “mask”, because of how transparent it is. It’s more like cling wrap.

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The trolls prior to Zandalari did not have a recognised name beyond “Troll” so Zandalari are the first recognised Trolls. Before them it was just “Trolls”, some of which became Zandalari in name.

As all other trolls evolved from Zandalari we can thus infer all early trolls were akin to what we call today “Zandalari” it’s just prior to the tribes, they had no name as such, but they all presumably physically resembled the Zandalari regardless of what we would call them.

So “Zandalari” tribe was not the first trolls. No.
But “Zandalari” in reference to the distinct subspecies of Troll (glowing eyes, scales) was the first Troll species, we just don’t have a name for them beyond Zandalari which was adopted only when tribes started to form.

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I’ll trust in that then <3

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Plot holes direct result of letting marketing department decide the direction of the game and the developers obliging.

Why would a creative writer write a good story about something that is forced and not in the original story /game universe?

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Wb we have all missed you :kiss:

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Not sure why people are saying this guy is stuck on a loop for bringing back up the reason blood elves are on horde. He’s clearly doing it to justify changes in shadowlands or to bring high elves to horde. Saying it doesn’t matter about the lore just do it. I never knew this belf thing either and I have played the game since vanilla.

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They are stuck on a continuous hate and troll loop on all my threads because they’re begging for my attention. Always off topic and always trolling/baiting. I wish them a quick recovery

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Bit like you on your hatred for anyone who plays horde or a belf .

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and there’s no chance of them coming to the Alliance bc of Jaina’s dumb :peach:

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Retributor is trying to bring High Elves to the Horde?

Wait… What?

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you shouldn’t lie.

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I think there is a little bit of a persecution complex going on here, people tend to disagree with your threads because of the content, not the person conveying it.

When you came up with the idea about how to make War Resources a viable currency and not effectively obsolete, I thought it was a damned good idea, liked it, posted that I thought it was a damned good idea, and cited it in similar threads as a good idea, in the hope that it would gain some traction. I didn’t read it and go “this is a brilliant idea, ugh, but Retributor posted it, so I must reply saying it is a stupid idea!”

Most people just aren’t that petty.

The problem is, that you specifically created this topic to be controversial and gain a response, well in that, you were completely successful, but you cannot blame anyone else for that.

Essentially your complaint seems to be ‘Company did market research, found out that a proposed idea was successful, and implemented said idea’.

That’s Market Research, that is -exactly- how it works, in all types of business…

The reason in game the Fictional race of Blood Elves joined the fictional construct of The Horde is well documented with reasons not limited to, but stemming from as early as WCIII, well before WoW was even created.

Are you saying companies should not do market research? Or that just because you don’t like the results, that they should not have implemented it?

Also, you bumped it after everyone had just ignored it for a week in a cry for attention, then complain about getting the attention…what is that all about?

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