Hey! A curiosity why there is no button for looking for group on the Classic, not with the queue, but custom looking for group, like on the retail when u want to find a group for a raid or a dungeon(with higher lvl then Rain Finder). I think that this would help a lot with finding people with whom you can actually clear dungeon. Currenty i have some quests to WC and BFD, so i need to go to Orgrimmar and watch for a chat or spam it to create my group or look for someone who is also looking for group to do this. This feature could make it much easier to find people.
For example im lvling and someone need tank or dps, and he types in chat in Orgrimmar what he needs. I canât see mesage, because im lvling in different location, but with this feature i could see the group manually.
Any objections?
Heya,
You do not have to go to major city to find groups. U can /join World and /Join Lookingforgroup
Those are 2 channels u can see always nomatter where U are in the game.
Classic is a recreation of Vanilla and Vanilla never had such a feature so it will not be part of Classic. Itâs not a question about what is good or bad, itâs a question about what is an accurate recreation.
You can right-click your chat window tab and join various official world channels or the player created /join world, that are usually active.
I believe something like that was added in TBC
Vanilla also never had such feature like group/raid control from retail. But it was added. All im saying that gameplay with group finder could be much effective than just spaming chat and look for a group that you want.
So iâve joined /4 and manâŠpeople type that fast âŠlol :P. I just might not see it (the group im looking for) because the messages pass too quickly ^^
Thatâs actually not true. Vanilla had a Lookingforgroup tool for all dungeons and raids, and it is missing from Classic.
Look it up.
By the way⊠every one should download an addon called Slashfour. It tracks all chat from lfg and world, and presents it as an LFG tool to you. You type /four and it lists all dungeon groups that have had LFG/LFM mentions in the past 15 minutes.
*More convenient.
Not necessarily more effective. For example, if you look at the group finder in refail, most of those listings are ones that you ignore. Most of the people that signs are ones that you decline. Itâs because the process turns automatic, with no personal connection whatsoever, and so you base it on other factors like ilvl, achievements and so on.
The more people you have to choose between, the more people will end up rejected, and so it turns into a vicious death spiral until you get the group finder in refail today.
And because youâd have an interface to do it with, you wouldnât really feel the need to go out of your way to write to every person you decline, and they would just see the âdeclineâ symbol in their application, so they stop thinking less and less about what they sign for and what they write in their applications as well.
If you want convenience, go to refail. And stay there. Kkthxbye.
Thatâs not what the OP is referring to, and the tool was just an automatic matchmaker by clicking on an LFG stone outside of the dungeon youâd want to group up for. The interface options werenât really a thing, which the OP is asking for. He can find that in refail.
Also, that LFG stone option wasnât added until near the end of vanilla. They used it as a basis for the TBC upgrades to that LFG stone system.
It wasnât added. It was part of the Legion Client and Blizzard decided not to spend time to remove it. They talked about this before launch and you have had 2 years to protest against it.
Donât use unrelated changes as an argument to add more changes. Donât you see how dangerous that kind of argument is in a recreation of a game?
This is why we canât have changes, even good ones, because people like you will use unrelated changes as an argument to add more changes. So where does it end?
Joining a guild is by far the best way to get things done, but chat also works for finding groups. You just have to be specific âLF1M dps for Strat UDâ for example.
You had a group finder tool in TBC, but nobody used it.
If you have problem with chat spam there are addons that filter out spam based on words or combinations of strings.
First you said that the op wasnt referring to a certain thing but to an automatic matchmaker while the op clearly stated ânot the one with the queueâ.
Make sure to read carefully before answering.
Then, since this is what weâre talking about, that feature wouldnât hurt the game at all since the one in retail is automated and cross server while the one in classic would be by default server locked. kindda implied here, since the op is talking from a pov that they have to go to capital city to find a group.
Also, there is no ilvl in classic. no achievements. Just class and level.
all that this would do is to have a group being âopenâ for people to apply instead of having to spam a chat yourself. In a way, I could have an addon spamming the chat for me every X second, it would be the exact same result.
Stop lying to yourself. So far, whenever I whisper someone posting an annoucement, i get an instant invite or iâm ignored. If iâm the one making the group i get âinvâ, or âtank/heal/dpsâ. 90% of the time. Rest is âhey there, healer here!â , which is just a fancier way to put it.
Woah, much socialisation.
What people like you donât understand is that the socialisation happen either before the instance aka âplay with friendsâ or during the instance aka âmake friendsâ. Joining a group is not the moment where you either of those, and if it should happen it is an extremely tiny minority of occurences if ever, and i donât think that this is the proper way to apply any form of logical reasoning by looking only at a very small and tiny %.
A lot of the features in retail implemented a lot of bad things. But a lot, even if they did turn bad, still came a from a reason.
Spamming chat is not fun. At all.
Stop pretending itâs the holy grail of socialization. Itâs not. Iâm a new dingged 60 and I can tell you besides my guildies iâm pretty much shocked by how harsh, elitist and toxic most of the players are. It feels like fortnite (dont play it, just heared of it and its community) for adults.
So learn to make friends before the group or during your run or after it, but the moment you decide if someone joins your run should based on what? pure luck?
reality is, itâs the players who made the gear score add on in woltk. yeah. reality is, you want to keep any form of features locked from the game not because the game would be bad, but because players would make it bad. And know what? theyâre already doing it. Look at questie :)))))
I just got flamed today cuz i turned the rend stuff off cooldown. I had no idea this would give the rend buff. Nor that I would care tbh.
To me, was just a quest i was doing. I swear to god peopleâs reaction, the entitlement to having a world buff. Like seriously. SOme said they were super pissed in chat and to me in whispers if they noticed (and neither of both were polite, iâm remaining decent here).
But wanna know who was pissed?
Me.
After spending days looking for a UBRS group in your beloved lfg channel that i only discovered when i joined level 60, after i finally got this quest, know what? I should have gotten an epic dialog and a buff. My buff. My quest. My epic moment.
But no, was stolen cuyz someone earlier had to have it on cooldown you know. So important you know. To kill bosses in 38 seconds instead of 43.
Yeah yeah we know. Go back to retail, thats your thing
⊠Please stop embarrassing yourself. Read it again. You clearly didnât understand what it said.
Thereâs social currency. i.e. server standings. This is not as much in the form of the person (partly due to the overpopulation and the limits shown with dunbarâs layers), as it is in the form of guilds. You wield a social currency based on the guild youâre in on your realm, and in your social circle itâs more individualistic.
Thatâs actually not wrong. However, what you donât understand is that the simple act of introduction and reciprocity is a key part of social bonding, to go from the unknown stranger to someone youâll unconsciously remember.
Socialisation doesnât mean what you think it means.
So anyway, to make that process automatic like with the group finder in refail, is that it removes those key parts of social interaction. It removes the need for it. It removes the need to be socially aware. Xrealm certainly makes it much worse, but even in an enclosed community such as a realm community, it can damage this process between strangers.
You can thank the pserver community for normalizing that expectation. But at the same time, Classic probably wouldnât have been a thing without the pserver community.
But if Classic wouldâve become a thing even without pservers ever existing, most people wouldâve forgotten most of vanilla. It wouldâve been a long process of rediscovering so much more than what people were told in guides from even before Classic had come out.
And the expectation to minmax even world buffs, even if it wouldâve become a thing (although it wouldâve been less likely), wouldâve taken much longer to normalize than it did in Classic as it was released.
there is an addon where you whisper !bid to someone to get an item. another where you whispere !reserve item name.
all of this to replace social interactions where people ask for items, talk, bargain, convince. yet it exists.
lemme make an add on where i just set up few features like instance, time between messages etc⊠then the add on will post at the desired time the desired text.
then people will just whisper !role like !healer.
if they fill the prerequisite that i have listed such as class and level (cna be checked by shift clickin) then they get invited. the annoucement gets updated automatically. even guilds i can fitler. until i fill the group.
players are already doing that in a way with all the other add ons. they just havent pushed it that far. a lfg tool that lists all current group for current instances where you would either apply or ask the group leader (notice i never detailed what should ENHANCE the current lfg channel and/or tool) is not going to hurt the game in any way bacause I, as a player, can already do it.
all that would do is it would save me coding lessons. the point?
ah and i did undesrtand, clearly stated ânot the one with the queueâ which refers to the normal/heroic dungeon and lfr tool with automatic queue. The rest, u gotta either apply and/or whisper the party/raid leader. Who, iun exchange can also whisper to you if he wants since youâre applying.
I donât think iâm the one not understanding here. I just read the post.
also if you mean socialization as guilds, then a tool, in any shape or form (since i havent detailed the modality in anywa way), being server locked wouldnt be a problem since itâs still server based with all its current âsocial standingâ since again, the tool wouldnât be automatic.
gotta read dude
Oh, please do. Youâd learn a lesson in how hard it is to turn something into a social norm if it doesnât fill an urgent need by the masses. Itâs why the stone tool wasnât widely used in vanilla, or in TBC, to find groups. Not until much more convenience was added to it in the ICC patch, that turned it entirely automatic together with a teleport to the dungeon and a visible queue timer. Because it didnât fill the urgent need, when the social norm was still what most people were using (i.e. the chat).
⊠You seem to have misunderstood it entirely. Iâve been talking about the group finder from the start. Not the dungeon finder. In other words, not the one with the queue, but the group finder which is basically an automated (and extremely impersonal) advertisement tool.
so basically ure not talking about what the op is talking about? this is not ur thread, so make yours?
⊠What are you on about now? Do you think the OP has been asking for the dungeon finder?
That means the group finder.
You seem to be suffering from a language barrier @Zarthan . Itâs definitely a small one, but enough for you to not understand what people are talking about.
Also, just a PS to the OP:
People tried to bring it in as an addon at the start of Classic, but Blizzard shut it down while saying it doesnât fit Classic.
I understand a LFG not a LFR tool would be nice but it wasnât officially in Vanilla so itâs not in Classic and I accept that.
Tell me about that lfg tool pls
In vanilla, closer to the end of it, Blizzard brought in a click function to the stones outside of dungeons. Anyone within its level range could click on it, and then it would automatically match people together via a queue.
You could not queue up from the UI, you had to go to the stone with your character and manually click on the stone in order to queue up. After you were queued up you could go wherever you wanted though.
in TBC they added a few upgrades to that tool, like for example a summoning portal.
Hm really canât remember that, guess I was done with instances at that time
Well yeah, if you mean the queue then they didnât add it until near the end of vanilla (I donât mean the TBC prepatch, it was before that). Most people at that time, were done with dungeons. (It was there from the start in TBC though.)
Even in TBC, most people didnât use it for finding groups. Theyâd use the chat for that.
It was nice as a stationary substitute for a lock though. Some warlocks didnât like it though, while they were saying it removed a part of what made warlocks unique. Warlocks were still the only ones that could create a portal elsewhere in the world, but if you wanted to summon someone in your group or raid without a warlock nearby (or in your grp/raid), all you had to do was go to the nearest dungeon stone (raids didnât have a stone back then), and target the one in your group you wanted to summon and click on the stone in order to create a summoning portal (still needed others to fly there and click on it though).
Karazhan and black temple were the only raids back then that didnât have a dungeon (& dungeon stone) nearby.