M+ as "race against time" is bad concept - Ideas of Non-Timed M+ mode

Please decide. Yeah you can have both, but you choose the easiest path. Not the playstyle your after clearly.

Ofcourse not.

if i fall behind in ilevel for playing in a Sub par fashion, i wont be invited to content. also my guild would have to bench based on the fact im a Mile behind progression.

you kinda have to play where the gear is.

you sound as Silly as people who tell peopel who dont like flying “just dont fly”. im afraid it doesnt work, ur Asking players to engage with the game badly.

do you understand you can’t upgrade keys in untimed? Untimed is there to learn and practice not to progress.
Only way to learn M+ nowadays is watch vids and guides, something that majority of players with limited playtime wont do, they never did and frankly is stupid requirement for a game

so i can buy a +20 Boost Once

and Forever spam +20s… good job…

Why do you progression if you’re a casual? XD

I do M+ and Raid in a progressive Manner. i consider myself Casual because i dont farm 20 M+ a Day on Repeat to ensure im in the top 1% on charts. i engage in content at a Casual manner, i.e when i want to do the content and Inbetween RL Responsibility.

That has to do with casual how? XD

Its Simple

if ur not hardcore, u are Casual. you fit in 1 of 2 Catagories. I dont play enough hours weekly to Realistically fit a hardcore Player, thats Simply easily put.

never heard about boosts that are using your key…
You can buy boost even today, get 20 key and well…keep it in inventory i guess

Nice logic. If you’re not going for 1% you’re not hardcore!

Course you’re gonna get benched if you arnt trying one bit ya know.

But somehow I think you think casual raiders in a guild gets benched o.O

No.

when u complete a Week. u get a Key at the level of the key u completed.

Therefore, if u buy 1 Boost. u will get a +20 Key, if u submit that key on ur idea for no-timed M+ I can abuse said System to access limitless +20 farm.

no matter how u set this out. I will abuse it.

Well i’d prolly say if ur not going for top 60% your not hardcore.

Hardcore isnt about percentile what are you on?

My guild benches no people unless we are full in raid, and even then we try to give people what they do want. My guild’s very casual. I dont think you’re casual at all, especially if you’re affraid of being benched.

Yes, and? Your point in this is that if a few guilds do this, every guild did this? :S

I am not. Basing on percentile to say you’re hardcore or not is weird. It is not what hardcore means. Hardcore means you’re serious about raiding and progressive. There’s no such thing as needing +9 keys to prevent getting benched from a normall progressive guild.

People in TBC and WoTLK used to get booted from guilds for not levelling at a acceptable raid my man.

you really need to get onboard. YES if u apply to be ina Guild and make 0 Effort to gear at a whats considered a Normal pace they WONT Raid with you

this is the fact your missing

your playing with REAL PLAYERS and comitting to a Social Contract where 19 players Rely on YOU. u have to respect their time to a Acceptable degree.

Actually it really does.

a Casual Player by default would not percentile at the same Point a hardcore one is, unless that hartdcore player is RLY Bad.

Please don’t confuse hardcore and elitist. Or hamster for that matter, running the threadmill for 1% are best described as tryhards, imo.

ELitism, has been faked on so much these days its barely has meaning.

People call it elitist when u dont invite their Undergeared alt to a +15.

Elitism is to actively look at their Logs Demand Logs, BiS Geared etc etc, thats what Real Elitism is, expecting u to be capable in content is not Elitist.

i am glad you read the OP before jumping into conclusions. besides it’s just an idea how push people to try M+. There is no place to practice high keys and the toxicity of existing mode prevents any sort of learning

with Valor upgrades i can still boost the gear up my friend.

Just like kids using the boomer word. Doesn’t change it’s original meaning. Inexperience, ignorance and all is vast.

Orginal meanings Fine. i just rarely see elitism seriously used in Modern WoW. thats more of a Classic thing really.