SiMPLY WHAT KEEPS THEM FROM TRYING IS TIMER IN M+ AND SINCE THEY WILL BE PLAYING WITH EQUALLY GOOD PLAYERS SO DEFACTO WITH NEWCOMERS THERE IS A BIG CHANCE THAT TIMER JUST WON’T BEAT WHICH LEADS TO FRUSTRATION AND NOT ONLY TO IT. BUT A LOT MORE PLAYERS WON’T HAVE THE CHANCE TO TRY IT A FEW DOZEN TIMES AND WILL RATHER GIVE IT UP BECAUSE EVERYONE AROUND THEM WILL ALREADY HAVE A HIGH ILVL OR WON’T PLAY IT…IT UNNECESSARILY DRIVES COMMUNITY AWAY FROM LEARNING THE MECHANICS BECAUSE THERE IS NO TIME FOR IT…AND THEN IT REFLECTS IN RAID GROUPS THAT ARE EQUALLY COMPOSED OR THERE ARE BETTER PLAYERS AND EITHER THE NEWCOMER GETS THE KICK OR THE MORE EXPERIENCED ONE LEAVES THE GROUP.
PLAIN AND SIMPLE TIMER IN M+ IS DESTROYING THE COMMUNITY AND DIVIDING IT UNNECESSARILY INTO TWO CAMPS AND ONE OF THEM IS YOU AS A SELFISH ******.
Sorry caps.
Stop raging. The timer doesn’t stop people from learning. If you can’t do a +2 in time, it’s not a problem. You still get loot. You keep learning until you understand how it’s done. If you can’t finish a +2 in time - after let’s say 10 attempts - then you are simply not good enough to compete anyway. It’s like a 3 feet guy won’t be able to compete with a 7 feet guy in basketball, it is what it is.
So if those newcomers can’t build a group together and beat the timer which hundreds of thousands of people can… how is removing the timer allowing them to compete? There is going to be another difficulty and if the +2 timer was already too hard, then there is probably not a single difficulty in the world, you could implement into a competition and still call it difficult…
How? Why? You implement there are many of those players. Why would they give up? If they are not willing to learn and a +2 is too hard already… then it’s just not for them, no?
How do these newcomers in your fantasy world somehow come close to the pro people anyway? To people who practiced in same groups for years? How do you even introduce a difficulty where those newcomers are magically able to compete with those people anyway?
So there are not enough of those newcomers to form a raid? That’s weird…
It’s not destroying anything? You keep saying these newcomers somehow, magically can’t do whatever but yet you didn’t bring up a single argument how and why? You are just speaking of frustration with no logical reasoning.
I did explain to you how people actually started playing M+. Some people learn slower, some faster but somehow your newcomers are not able to do that. I don’t get what exactly is stopping them besides their lack of skill and their frustration. (which you implemented btw)
How is your M+ even going to work? Same way but without the timer? What makes you think they are able to clear higher keys if a +2 timer is already too difficult? I assure you, if that’s already too hard, the people need literal god mode and one-shot-cheats in order to complete anything above +10
I’m not worried that there will be a change and players will return to wow to the sound of crying m+ semi-pro players because they are the ones dividing the community. WoW has raised a generation of players who now have families and most of them just can’t play high key.
And new generations come along and have no way to get involved other than frustratedly spamming mythic and being kicked out of groups…which takes time no one wants to spend and would rather turn on another game.
To M+ selfishes:
You are the dregs of society of a community that makes itself out to be elite.
I always thought it was the PvP players that divide the community over warmode but no…you are the ones that can’t and won’t compromise even for new players and eat a few years old lunch and pretend it tastes good…when you could have had a fancy dinner long ago.
Oh dear you bring the sledgehammer to the little nail with this one.
Perspective is nice. None’s asking for M+ to be removed. Or I guess some are, but…
The faster you need to do a dungeon to more crazy things get, this adds randomness and this makes it FUN!
All competitive games have a bot mode or a mode where players can learn how to play …even in mmorpg with competitive modes…only WoW will continue to frustrate and send people to other games or force them to learn complicated mechanics on YouTube depending on what is going on in the game. Congrats. You’re a prime example of a person who just doesn’t want change for the better.
Yes, but this can be achieved without time or gradually accelerate and not that you throw a player without knowledge of the mechanics into the water to drown.
This method just isn’t for everyone, and it’s confirmed every week on this forum where someone comes up with a solution to make mythic a better place for all of us. And the only answer they get is “don’t cry and play it if you can’t”.
You can always not play if you do not like something wow has many things to do besides just mythic+
I remember first attemps at C’thun where we just all got insta killed first try and had a good laugh game is not meant to be taken as serious as people claim it to be, altho some clearly do take it serious, if always learned from other peoples failures if i am not learning from my own failures already
The biggest joke of the whole thing is that these are exactly the kind of ******* I wrote about above this post of yours here. ----> Eyati
Surely you see that mythic is a important part of the game not to skip. So what you are actually asking is for people to skip the game and play something else. And that’s exactly what is happening.
Blizzard offers a product in which it offers a mode that its customer wants to play. The only answer this customer gets after asking if Blizzard would allow him to learn without frustration is “don’t play it” from those who already play the game and are better.
If I were the owner of such a brand exactly like you I would just sink to the bottom and improve my product because by doing so I open the door to more people than by letting my community destroy my reputation.
Everyone had to count on that, and especially Blizzard when they made M+ that everyone would want to play it. We just haven’t gotten to the point yet, and I hope not for long, where it’s really accessible to everyone and where people like you will either cry on the forums or sh"t up.
I think they are scared we will end up carrying them on high M+ 
That’s one possibility, the other is that we’re just witnessing a crying community of boosters sitting at home on their asses who can’t find a normal job.
Good point in a game that allow paid boosting.
The shame is endless it seem
+2 is your bot mode… you just want Blizzard to do everything for you and that’s a bit weird idk. Everyone who truly wants to climb in M+, will do so. Pretending you are not able to find equal minded players is pure non-sense and you couldn’t bring up a single argument what holds you back from doing so. Instead you want to remove the timer while not explaining how people can’t time a +2 while somehow are going to clear higher keys… it’s pure non-sense.
No. Normal/heroic is the bot mode, guess you already forgot those exist.
You can’t read. I don’t want it removed. Read what I wrote for the draft. It could be done anyway.
And for me, write whatever you want. I don’t have a problem walking +15 keys…but I know plenty of people who just find m+2 a problem…or haven’t put anything down in the whole expansion and haven’t moved because the system is just unfriendly with time things throughout the mode.
I don’t care about your opinion …you can’t compromise. So pull on your +20 keys and let the big boys here talk about how it would be good to change the game a little for the better and open the door for tens of thousands more players.
Ah, the ol’ solution to the problem that doesn’t exist.
“Hai Blizz can we plz haff gear for going through a high dungeon really really slowly!?”
“Hi Blizz, someone left a dungeon, I didn’t interrupt, use my cc, soothe and only butt pulled 4 times. Please ban them for inconveniencing me”
The usual “solutions” we can find here.
And if people can’t do +2 keys, I’m not sure what you expect to be done? You don’t make good games by dumbing down to the lowest common denominator.
updated the topic with some ideas, feel free to elaborate.