How is it exclusive? You failed to make just ONE argument how the system is excluding the “vast” player base. The reason is obvious: You can’t because it doesn’t
I can’t make an argument against an issue that does not exist.
Tell me exactly why you believe the system is excluding players and I will give you as many arguments as you want. So far the only “argument” you were able to make was that PLAYERS (not the system!) exclude other players. You want to control players? Maybe you should check yourself then, if that’s what you believe is fun.
Still waiting. Maybe I should repeat/rephrase it for you since you really want it.
What is your problem with opening the system for everyone so that they can partake on an equal level without adhering to elitist language or bugger X amount of players when this can all be avoided easily with a open system?
Is it difficult to understand that a lot of people don’t want to bugger, or beg if you wish. Just to do a dungeon?
Probably still to complex for you, but I’m sure you understand if you want to.
dragonspeak for you: ti kiarf ewoig for vi screruq tenpiswo
Votekick someone before the end of the run and replace them with your friend. Profit.
of the ilvl adequate to the challenge, which is at least 10-15 key levels lower than the key.
Fun is completely subjective, the fact that it ruins your fun does not mean it isnt the epitome of fun for thousands of others
Whether or not your stressed is dependant on how you personally approach the game, if you feel to stressed you can play something more relaxing, like turn based strategies. Once again a ‘you’ issue, not an issue in general.
What open system? What do you want to open? Everyone can already play.
You are not talking about the system, you are talking about the players.
You still didn’t name a single argument what you want to change with the SYSTEM and why it’s “not open”. You seem to misunderstand what you are talking about. You seem to want to control the players and their behavior. That’s actually insane.
Who is stopping them? Those people who want to do that, can simply invite each other and do it? Where is the problem? There is none. Except the players themselves.
Do you even understand that before the mythic score, the gear score etc… the players implemented it THEMSELVES? Do you understand the majority used it because they WANTED? Do you understand that the people who do not like those things, don’t have to pay attention to it and can STILL play with each other? They obviously choose not to.
It seems you just want to force some donkeys to play with the people who do NOT want to play with them. How about we do not control and force people to do something they don’t want to?
You say there is a “vast” player base that’s apparently being excluded. So how about this “vast” player base just starts playing with each other? Literally NOBODY and NOTHING is holding them back. Unless you can FINALLY prove otherwise? But you still keep failing to make even ONE argument. How come?
Agreed. I also think timers (on any kind of games, not just specific encounters) are stupid and unfun.
Also, whats the point about Heroic-Dungeons? Do they serve any purpose?
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I didnt read the whole Thread. But how long did it take for the Elitists to come in and post “Then dont play it, you dont need/deserve the equipment anyway”? 10 posts? 20?
This seem to be the closest you get to an argument.
So when will we be able to play on an equal level without adhering to elitist language, or language at all? Seeing as it is a game that we pay for, not a social convention of exclusively invited. The system is not open for majority of potential players. It is however open for abuse, which is exactly what is happening. And it needs to stop.
You have yet to explain why you want to keep it exclusive.
An average of 3 posts in. It’s a fan forum after all, they alienated majority of normal people long ago.
I agree with you too. I never liked the timer even though I always push for the portals. I like how gw2 has a similar concept to M+ and they just do it better. Removing the timer from M+ will be great,
TL:DR Pretty much gut m+ of any form of challenge what’s so ever and make it as a free loot pinnata.
What you have suggested… I think LFR offers more of a “challenge” than your version of m+.
And before you scream “well do +20s or mythic raid if you want a challenge”.
+15s awards heroic level loot(more or less) so it should offer a “heroic raid” level type difficulty.
Otherwise…why the hassle anyway? Just have Blizzard send the items to your mailbox and be done with it?
Also, why Drops in M+? Why not tokens? That way everyone would get the Gear, but the better players would get it much sooner. The normal players, would just have to do more. Many other MMOs do something like that and nobody really complains there. (ESO with Key-Droprates for instance).
Who is forcing you? You are allowed to play with whoever you want. See, that’s where you fail. You pretend like someone is controlling you and forces you to play with specific people but that’s not the case. You are the one who wants to force people to play with someone they don’t want do.
Who is it not open? Who is not allowing this “majority” to play with which other? If this majority exists and they are equal minded, why don’t they just play with each other? Let the “elitists” play with each other and let your “majority” play with each other… what’s the problem? Nobody is stopping nobody.
It’s not exclusive, that’s the point. You keep saying that but you were still not able to provide at least ONE argument nor were you able to explain who stops your “majority” to play with each other.
Maybe there is a reason? Maybe it is you, maybe it is the guild? I am not even in a guild it takes just a few seconds after I am online and people already spam me to heal their keys.
Have to agree. If the big bad elitists are “holding you back”, by all means. Create your own key group, invite based on…name? Transmog? Perhaps the lowest ilevel which signs up? NOBODY is STOPING you from doing that.
I have no clue why people suddently have “claims” on MY key. Like I am mandated to invite Jimmy the rio 0 guy or Jerry the green questy gear guy to my +15 for example? I DONT owe Jim or Jerry my key. I can make a +2 key and say “LFM, ilevel 420, rio 3k”. Are these requirements nuts? Yes. Will any sane people apply to it? No. BUT is there a Law which prevents me from doing it? No…
I get asked what’s my ilvl , what’s my highest key and what’s my rio score from last season.
I kid you not. My best key so far is a +10 Plains. They’re running 8’s and 9’s and they’re like ah I’ll just wait for my friend to come online.
Like bro , we raided together since the raid came out … the GM expects us to do a minimum +15 key a week by end of Jan and you don’t want to play with 50% of your guild Oo
This is not just my guild problem , I’ve seen this problem since M+ launched. I’ve seen myself being picked over others aswel. So i’ve seen both sides of the same coin.
So when people post I’m finding it hard to join keys , telling them to go find a guild is a load of Sh*T. Doesn’t solve anything , friends will still want to play with friends. Guildies still want to join with the strongest dps and tank/heals in guild. Can’t find people to do a key in guild ?
Guild : sounds like a you problem
Forums : sounds like a you problem
Then find a different guild. Guilds having an “exclusive inner circle” is not something m+ created or raids. I think that concept was immediately born once the concept of a “guild” was born.
At least my current guild and previous guild(left cause they went horde but I wanted to remain alliance) where always open to newcomers and I ran m+ with multiple guildies. Not once the question “your ilevel, your m+ score came up”. Only time that question even remotely came up was when a guildy was doing +20 for time(back when +15 was the max level for chore) and obviously if he is doing an higher level dungeon then he wont take a freshly leveled 60 green questy geared alt.
Are you going to make an argument or not?
You keep saying how the “majority” can’t play, yet you can’t say how. Who is holding them back to play with each other? The only thing you seem to want is to force the “elitists” to play with this “majority”. There is no other conclusion, since you can’t explain why the “majority” can’t play with each other.
I’ve played on Chamber of Aspects , Terenas , Magtheridon , Argent Dawn and Draenor.
I’ve always seen these problems. Always .
Oh and guess what the most fun thing is this expansion , our off tank doesn’t like tanking M+'s. So he’s grouped with our MT playing fury warr.
So it’s not even like we can set up two groups for guildies.
There’s 31 people who want to raid and do end content , do the maths anyways. We have to pug tanks even if people were’nt so anti social and wanted to play with their guildies.
