M+ as "race against time" is bad concept - Ideas of Non-Timed M+ mode

It’s so nice when you just prove how faulty the system is.

This have been answered, but you are just here to argue. And it seem we will never actually hear what your explanation is.

Wonder why…

Where do you cough this up? Am I somehow advocating to take your friends and ability to do M+ away? No.

This, there is a big difference between taking a new guy to a push key, or just and easy 15.
What the people i usually play with does when someone new joins the guild was immidietly force… i mean politly ask them to do a key. And usually a decently high one, just to see what they are like.

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Yeah? Where?

Yes. How dare I say no to Jimmy, the green quest gear guy, from handing over my key to him. How dare I not give free boosts with my own key which I worked for because surprise! Those +15s/+20s keys don’t just pop in from nowhere. You actually have to do the dungeons to raise your own key.

Well, sounds like tryhards. It reminds me a bit of a friend (who is not even playing WoW) who tried to introduce me to his friends and that was their first question as well. They acted “elitists” (like this one troll would say) meanwhile their highest key at this time was a +6 while mine was +12.
Long story short: You don’t have to deal with these people

Well I don’t know what your goals are and how you pick your guild but this sounds like the typical casuals who cba learning anything and just wait to get carried. I tend to avoid these people.

Well according to the troll, there is a “majority” out there, who has exactly the same problem like you. Did you find this “majority” yet? :smiley: Maybe you could form a group and do dungeons?

Jokes aside, what’s your class and what role do you play?

Go use your key wherever you want. None’s asking you to waste it on Billy.

You people are so empty of arguments you need to invent a false narrative in desperation

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Not once have you answered my question. You kept saying how the M+ is “exclusive” and the system “not open”, not once were you able to tell why. Reason is obvious: You can’t because it’s not.

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Not one argument you have given.

Doing your part at providing a productive debate?

Reality slips through. Is this supposed to matter?

Meanwhile the usual forum post: “we we wee. I am rio 300 with best key done +5 and those big bad elitists are declining my +15 invites! THOOOSE BIIIIG BAAAAAAD ELITISTS! BAN BAN BAN BAN”

So…you sure about that? The whole “M+ is exlusive and gatekeeping” drama is kept up by some people thinking they have claims to other people’s keys. Like the community owes them an invite?

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See? still no argument. You ask me to make an argument for something that does not exist. You are the one claiming the M+ is “exclusive” and the system is “not open”. I am asking you how, you gotta explain it.
I claim it’s not exclusive and it is “open”, the argument to that is the fact that nobody is forcing you to play with those “elitists”. The proof to that is myself, I am playing with who I want, when I want and nobody is holding me back. That’s a plain, undeniable fact.

Since you are a donkey, let me explain: I play a healer main and if he mains a healer as well, we obviously can’t play together since you don’t do M+ with 2 healers :wink:

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Preservation Evoker , 376 ilvl , highest key is 10 not on time unfortunately 4 mins over time. 7/8 Normal in raid so far.

All those keys have been pugged. No a single guildie interested in joining me.

I almost got in my first guild key yesterday but they decided it was late … but I could hear them on discord saying the priest has gone to bed. I’m like erm I’m right here , I can heal I know how to heal … I’m healing for you in raids … hello oh that’s right i’ve only been in the guild for 6 months+ .

I have a strong suspicion I’m just going to have find people outside of guild to key push with or just do what’ve I’ve done the majority of Mythic + life cycle … pug … and being in a guild suprise surprise

This is your invention out of opinions you don’t understand.

Thanks though, for actually having some substance in your words.

Was this the best dodge you could do?

By all means. Feel free to enlighten me and perhaps some others? Or you will do that clichee: You are wrong I am right but I wont tell how exactly you are wrong.
Or the “Rebuts somebody for not giving any arguments…yet fails to give arguments himself”?

Well yes, I am trying to understand. What is the matter? Where is the problem, why can’t people get to play and why do you even care?

You better have good answer as it’s already been debunked over and over again.

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fun thing, my lfg isnt empty there are countless runs lf people all the time?

Because those people who for some reason can’t get to play seem to think that m+ is exlusive and gatekeeping feature. Since I also throw in my key in the “community pot” then indirectly I get accused like I am doing “all I can to make sure they can’t play”…which couldn’t be father from the truth.

Does speak allot about your attitude in any debate or discussion. Difficult to debate or discuss anything with a person who only hears…himself and nobody else. Its like arguing with a brick wall.

Seems like you somewhat understand.

Throw your key wherever you want. What is this about? Anyway, delete keys. Open the system.

IDK who’s doing this, but seems unfair. Unless you actually do. And in a way by advocating for the system to remain locked in chains, you do.

You don’t say.

Its not for everyone. But i love M+ and the tempo.
Pushing my limits is something i enjoy.

Not trying to take this away from you, but quite a few who try to make it appear so.

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Is there a language barrier or you are just quoting fragments from my text without even checking context or the whole meaning of it?
I never said that I personally believe in that statement. I don’t and m+ is open to anyone who wants to actually play it(and is not looking for a free boost). I only quoted what some people on the forums seems to believe.

Throw your own key in. Invite whomever you want, based on whatever criteria you want and presto :hand_with_index_finger_and_thumb_crossed: Everyone can do m+. So what’s the problem?

Why do I even bother… :man_facepalming: Just admit that you only “hear” opinions which you agree with. That you are looking for an echo chamber instead of a forum where people can have multiple views.

The irony… you talking about dodging while not being able to back up your empty claims…
How am I dodging? I literally explained to you why I asked him this…