M+ as "race against time" is bad concept - Ideas of Non-Timed M+ mode

Maybe there is, you picked the words up from somewhere. Not my fault you don’t understand the meaning behind them.

Did you want a list?

That took long.

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The problem with your “solution” is that it breaks the game. People must play the same game, for the same rewards. If one option has no challenge (yours) then you’re forcing everyone to play it because they’d have to be stupid to pick the harder one.

You think people who enjoy challenges are just ego hunters. That’s nice.

Looking at your take on this matter, it’s you who isn’t one.

Then play ESO.

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He is just trolling cause he has nothing else to do it seems. Don’t take the bait like I did. He has nothing to say because there is nothing that can be said.

Are you looking in the mirror?

Skydiving with no parachute is great because it’s so freeing, but that doesn’t mean I want to do it. Just because something has one benefit doesn’t mean it’s my ideal pick.

Oh? You will give me an early Christmas gift? :christmas_tree: You will actually give arguments to your claims? Can’t miss out the golden opportunity. Might not come again in a few months!

I know its a fresh bait. But c’mooon. Maybe it will be a Christmass miracle and he actually gives a proper response on why he thinks the current system in m+ is bad.

I know I can’t expect nothing more than “No U” responses by hey…Hope dies last right? :smiley:

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That’s the best idea i have ever read! Why aren’t we mass advocating for this?

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The moment you give him a direct question he starts mumbling some non-sense and dodges. I mean… let’s be honest, you can’t argue there is a majority who wants to play, apparently, yet can’t play… how did those people keep missing each other… all the time? lmao :joy:

Maybe if you paid attention to what people are saying instead of:

Slowly catching up.

I just don’t see the point when there is such a jump in difficulty from heroic dungeons to mythic to give people the opportunity to learn the mechanics.
I’m not talking about a disadvantage here against people who really enjoy the fun of playing hard keys and for example let’s say those who would like to play without time constraints and learn.
If players enjoy it and enjoy a time limited dungeon run they would certainly continue playing it. Thus, I can easily see from what you wrote here that you yourself don’t enjoy mythic and would still play the mode without the time limit. If only because you’re talking about some kind of disconnect of the community of these players from the current gameplay to the one that would be created eventually without time limit. You don’t trust your community or yourself.
And I’m not forcing anyone to play the mode I’m proposing here, I’m just giving it as an alternative so I don’t know what you’re talking about and why you’re misrepresenting my words.

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Exactly. I could list a dozen aspects from other games that work better than in WoW, but that doesn’t mean those games are overall better. Or that they can be implemented into THIS game without causing a huge mess.

Sure, I’m all for making a non-timed version of M+. As long as it doesn’t reward anything but transmog maybe.

I fear I may have inadvertently proved your point. I admit defeat

I was actually expecting to hear it from you. Not “go read it somewhere on the forums what some other random people have said” Like I said. I wasn’t expecting much from you but it seemed promising that we could have a real discussion

You were right guess. The classical dodge “go read it up somewhere on the forums”. Yeah. At least he didn’t say “google it” :smiley:

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It’s all they got.

There is enough info in this thread alone, but still. That’s no excuse to be ignorant toward all the other complaints and frustrations.

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Among other things, the go play ESO argument is completely obtuse and clumsy.
There is nothing wrong with being inspired by another product at a time when defacto everything we know is already based on something else.
It’s all about the concept and the processing.
WoW makes the mistake of not improving on anything and forcing players to go straight for what was already there. Unfortunately you are a classic consumerist and don’t seem to realize what I’m talking about.
I’ve played probably every mmorpg game that’s been released on the market or has been and I have to say,if Blizzard really tried hard long ago it could have been with such a large player base not only an amazing alternative to other games but also a perfect tool to use all kinds of game modes or mechanics/features to create overlap between MMORPG worlds.
A sandbox certainly wouldn’t hurt WoW and could reward both hardcore players and those who don’t have time to grind or spend dozens of hours playing. Unfortunately no one wants to work on it.
Which one day in the “far future” WoW will simply hit rock bottom.

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Wdym?

I applied to a group on my paladin as tank, then got declined instantly and he changed the group name to add “no pala tank”.

He should be forced to play with my paladin as the tank. :angry:

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Stop dancing in circles for once and quote at least 1 your OWN original argument. When I partake in any forum discussion, I use my opinion and my personal arguments , not some fuzzy “other guys said”.
Can you have at least 1 independent thought or "you need the other guys to think it for you?

Take a look at Khurt’s response to Annaconda’s response. I don’t have to agree with him but I can at least respect that he tries to discuss and stand by his opionion. Not hide behind some “other guys said it”.

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I use that weakaura which shows what class are in the group. So I will obviously not apply to group which already has a rogue in it and etc. 99% they wont need a 2nd rogue. :rofl:

Playing != insight, otherwise you’d know that making a game feel epic always comes at the cost of making it accessible to a large base of players.
You think you have the recipe for improving WoW while maintaining (or even increasing) it’s audience? Yeah, I’m sure the devs are dumber than you and haven’t thought of that. Maybe you should work for blizzard and fix things up.

WoW managed to attract, and retain players (like yourself) who hate the game they’re playing. If that’s not a success then I don’t know what is.

Still. Still. Still waiting. For you to answer basic questions without having a tantrum.

Did you forget?

There is what you want, they are called heroic + and they are coming in classic.