this is computer game not a job
but thanks for proving my point about this addon bringing toxic elitest behaviour into game 
this is why wow has been for years been too hard for 90% of playerbase - and people just bailiing and choosing classic - because people prefer easy not overcomplicated games.
once tbc and wolk will be out they can as well close retail and people will just cba to deal with this arcade bs that is prelavalent in this game for years now - replacing rpg elements.
and this is proving how toxic armry in wow became - if even people like you use it to shame others.
instead using arguments - you use - oh look he just completed +/-3s - therefore you shouldnt complain.
other mmorpgs actively ban such behaviour - because they care about their community - blizzard stopped caring years ago.
Right now i would take ret rarely.Most of the time their utility is non-existant.
So you would absolutely always prefer a team of brand new players that did a few M2+ dungeons in the current meta, than to be queued up with the former Rank 1 from the previous expansion that haven’t started doing M+ yet? I seriously doubt that.
And would me having higher Rio score gonna change your mind even one bit?
Yet my Rio score would apprarently appear to have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that people will still avoid me as a class and spec. Sounds pretty personal to me.
And how about if I suggest that you start doing the exact same thing instead of looking at a single data score number on a third party website, just so that you keep on avoiding certain people in the first place anyway?
When people decline you for you for your spec, it is about the spec. Not personal at all.
Now, that’s not entirely true either, is it? Because
And pretty much the more and more this thread goes on, the more contradicting it gets… Unless of course “sitting there in one place and just hitting 3 buttons” translates into high skills, which is so far said to be what Rio measures.
How is it personal? About you. The individual. You know; “YOU”?
Not at all.
Most leaders are just looking at what the top 1% is playing and wants to copy them. And also your raiders.io can be the problem.
Overall as a dps it’s best to make your own group.
Not really. i close my average + around 500dps overall less than the actual dps.
The problem is that tanking requires lot of effort in planning that is not balanced by any special reward.
And it’s not helped either by big chuncks of the community, who thinks to be “pro” and pretend only some class as a tank, top performance all the time and blame everything on the tank, even if in reality they’re mostly low skill wannabe top 1%.
There are so few tanks because it’s not a fun job, it’s a lot of effort and you do it only if you really like it.
Only you are using the term shame. I do not feel any shame is involved when it comes to my experience in content I am applying to.
PvP has a rating, Mythic Plus uses raider io purely because it’s quicker than checking the armory, Raiding has progress which again can be checked quickly via addons like raider io instead of having to go to each individual person’s armory page.
I don’t think you understand that an addon that shows someone’s experience is NOT toxic. It is a completely neutral statement of fact.
and yet your “neutral statement of facts” is used 99 % of time to shame people whose score is lower then person X who is laughing at them on those very forums or as a way to deevaluate their opinion on matter X or Y.
if you support such toxicity its only showing what kind of person you are.
Can you back up your 99%?
Sure there are toxic people.
Not this week but last week when it was easy affixes my friend got nearly 100 people apply to his +16 key. It’s not remotely personal.
Yesterday, however, we were doing some low keys +2-+5 kind of range on some freshly dinged alts and as we were one short, we pretty much took the first person to apply to groups. Some of them did very poor damage and stood in all the the things but we didn’t care. It’s not like it’s a difficulty where it mattered.
lol.
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I’m sorry but there is no shame, no toxicity. It is a score. A neutral score. No matter how many attempts you make to attach emotion to a flat reflection of experience it will not make it have any emotion.
If I am benched in my raid team for a specific boss because I did not perform well or we are limited on how many melee we can bring and I didn’t make the cut it’s not toxic.
If a raid leader is trying to do a Hc Dena kill and he wants everyone in his group to have curve, it’s not toxic.
If a person applying to a mythic plus group is not chosen it is not toxic, it’s not bullying, it’s just sorry we didn’t want you, you weren’t what we were looking for. Team comp, experience of the players, class with certain abilities (BL/CR) etc, best chance to succeed etc.
If a pvp group for rated does not want to take me because I have no rating then it’s not because they are toxic.
As I said before people need to stop taking it so personally. I apply for groups for all sorts of content all the time, sometimes I am declined.
Addons have just made it more convenient so we don’t have to look at the armory or worse go to Org bank for inspection.
To be honest it is only a translation of the armory via the game’s API. So it’s just like looking at the armory. If anything Raider IO is kinder.
Just using my own profile as an example:-
Raider IO gives you score even if you go over time. So taking Sanguine Depths for example. Raider io will give me score for my failed timer on the +13.
Not once have I stated that dungeons require a meta. There are good players in most non meta specs/classes doing up to +20 keys. In low keys meta is utterly irrelevant.
You stated that you’ve been playing the game for years as if that gives you some free pass into any group. If you are going to go the pugging route then you need to understand that they are going to look at what you’ve done. Various posters have explained how it works and how you could up your score if you wished to do so.
If we are doing a higher ke key +10 or above and have to find a pug we absolutely look at their score, ilvl, experience in the specific dungeon we are doing.
As I explained previously and have even included armory vs raider io score examples, it is purely a translation of the armory. Many groups will not care about experience is a sub +5 or they may even look at ilvl more. #
Your class and spec isn’t really relevant in low keys other than most will avoid having a full melee group. Depending on affixes some weeks you don’t really want more than one melee.
This doesn’t even make sense. I gave you options where you do not have to care about building your score, by playing with friends, guildies or join a community like Scared of Dungeons. If you want to PuG you have to accept that people are going to look at your experience.
If you want to blindly take anyone who applies to your key that is your choice. However many people want to time their keys and push them and will choose applicants accordingly. If I applied to a +15 I wouldn’t currently expect them to take me. My score shows I have zero experience at doing keys that high yet.
I changed my view thanks to this post. Thank you.
i geniuinly do not think that people who complain about raider io are people who would ever apply to +16 .
i think that people who complain about raider io are people who usually que for dungeons in 2-10 range.
same like you dont see here on forums complains about myhic raid guild raquiriing X or Y or arena team requiring 2100+ raitings
Give it a few months. People will have more 220+ gear and their ilvl will go up. They will then complain they can’t get into +15 because somehow they think they deserve a spot.
In overall what you say sounds about right though.
That’s not possible on the internet 